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Wharton going to Palace for £22m means I value Clarke at close to £25m-£30m. I know they’re different positions, but Clarke is a better player. I think even Neil is better than Wharton, so I’d value Neil somewhere around the £22m-£25m mark based on what a Premier League team are willing to pay.

Wharton is a good player mind and he’s only 19, I think the age plays a big part in the fee. He’s 4 years younger than Clarke/Neil that’s a lot of time to improve. It’s hard to base it off other player sales because there’s players much better who’ve gone for less too. Hopefully the owners stubborn and plays the game so we get the absolute most we can!
 
Not what people want to hear but that's about as sensible and accurate as it gets imo. People just wanting us to 'bring in a big lad up front' are missing the point, it would take us back to the McGeady/Wyke way of playing.

It might just allow us to scrape into tte playoffs but there'd be three tough games as you say. And in the meantime we've thrown away what we've built and not given Rusyn a chance as you've rightly said.

With the manager change, the Ross Stewart saga and all.the injuries this season has been too messy to really progress imo ...

... but with a good close/pre season, a good window and our injured back I think we'd have a better platform.

And I think we've currently as much chance of 6th with what we have as throwing in the two new players many want. Some are saying it's a disaster, by Speakman, if we don't bring them in but I think that's extreme.

There's no guarantee it would work and might do more harm than good.
I think the league this season is much harder. 8th this season may be the equivalent of last season. Ipswich are a surprise the others are expected to be up there. It would have needed a big error for either of those relegated sides to do badly. They have lose players but also invested their riches. Coventry also had the benefit of significant player sales. I don’t think we will finish 6th. If we had fully replaced Stewart maybe but as we can see striker are hard to come by and it’s a sellers market so they cost money. Better not to waste it till we’ve got who we want at the right price or it costs who we want elsewhere. We have to make sure those we’ve invested in come good and we have a fresh new injection that reach quality of those that will leave over time but with less gaps and weaknesses because we invested more.
 
Clarke can def make it at PL level, he has the ability to beat a player n scores goals - both are qualities teams cry out for

He has to improve his decisuon making at the next level and his passing can be careless at times so he needs ti really improve in this area. Last season i thought he was really strong at tracking back defensively for us but hes been poor in that area this yr, lets fullback get away from him easily - can not do this at PL level as will get destroyed

I think his ceiling is a mid table team tho, if I'm looking at teams that he could play for West Ham would probably be the best he could play for

I do think he is worth 25 million, having a great yr in front of goal and hes english, english players always seem to go for more

Out of our current team i still think itll be dan neil that plays at the highest level out of everyone (Rigg could fall into this camp as well as his potential is off the charts but need to judge his true potential ovrr next few yrs)

My worry with Clarke is that he's reached his peak and his standards might drop ...

... if he wants a move, that doesn't materialise, would we end up with a disillusioned player who's value drops.
 
My worry with Clarke is that he's reached his peak and his standards might drop ...

... if he wants a move, that doesn't materialise, would we end up with a disillusioned player who's value drops.
Everything we've heard so far is how happy he is at the club. Now, that may change in the summer when PL clubs come in and we are facing a 3rd season in the 2nd tier but I think there is a general acceptance that he'll leave in the close season.
 
Aren't they? Neil and Ekwah both currently play that role. If O'Nien stepped into midfield that position would be perfect for him. Matete is a defensive minded CM.
Ekwah is absolutely NOT a defensive midfielder. He has no awareness of danger. Just look at the 2nd goal in the cup game.
Neil can play that role, but he's far better and more effective further forward.
We've seen enough of O'Nien in midfield to know he's not a midfielder. The fact he's played there once in the last 2 seasons says it all
Matete is more a player who likes to carry the ball. Box to box rather than CDM

Plenty of revisionism going on here today saying we don't need a CDM when even the club have said we do
 
Back then we had owners who said the Manager gets whatever he wants...

I remember us signing David Healy because Waghorn had an injury that was keeping him out for a month :emoticon-0140-rofl:
Didn’t do us much good really though and arguably started the spiral to being unsustainable and third tier football.
 
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Ekwah is absolutely NOT a defensive midfielder. He has no awareness of danger. Just look at the 2nd goal in the cup game.
Neil can play that role, but he's far better and more effective further forward.
We've seen enough of O'Nien in midfield to know he's not a midfielder. The fact he's played there once in the last 2 seasons says it all
Matete is more a player who likes to carry the ball. Box to box rather than CDM

Plenty of revisionism going on here today saying we don't need a CDM when even the club have said we do

Just because you don't rate them there doesn't mean they don't exist. I'd rather see us develop our own players there especially Neil, I don't see a new CM getting a lot of game time.

Btw O'Nien's not been playing in CM because he's been our first choice CB it's not like he's been dropped.
 
My worry with Clarke is that he's reached his peak and his standards might drop ...

... if he wants a move, that doesn't materialise, would we end up with a disillusioned player who's value drops.

He may have reached his peak at the minute,but it's how he can reach a higher level as and when he's playing with better players around him. That dream should keep his standards high.
 
Btw O'Nien's not been playing in CM because he's been our first choice CB it's not like he's been dropped.
So by your own interpretation, that rules O9 out as a midfield option? Good to clear that up
 
Just because you don't rate them there doesn't mean they don't exist. I'd rather see us develop our own players there especially Neil, I don't see a new CM getting a lot of game time.

It's not me who picks the team, but 4 head coaches now have failed to pick Matete. Maybe you know something everyone else doesn't?
 
Going to be fun on here today where the SAFC apologists make a case for Nathan Bishop being good enough to play up front, whilst the anti-Speakman mob plan to rush him at the next home game for refusing to sign Amad

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We def need another CM, ideally they would be a cdm as thatll free up our current cms to play in their preferred roles

However, if no cdm's that we want are available id be happy with another CM (potentially someone like styles who knows the league, maybe lost his way a little but has the potential) and then we use neil as 1st choice cdm n ekwah as back up cdm (ekwah would start but in box to box role). I think if we play a 3 man midfield (433) then i think someone like rigg will continue to get mins but we def need anotuer body in there as we'll be in trouble if Neil misses any games