Match Day Thread Watford vs QPR

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SW Hoops said:
Feels as thought JS is (hopefully) exploring the strengths of his players in different situations.
I’m afraid I agree he should explore Madsen on another continent; can’t see Celar moving too quickly while he has a new baby - so we are probably stuck with him this season. We need that Left Back - I never want to see Mbengue out of his best position, lovely to see some of his long crosses.
Feels like we’re creating a difficult start for ourselves when we should be looking to maximise the first few months. Those games from end of August to beginning of October we must maximise and get selections bang on.
Some unexpected teams in those bottom nine of the league after two games.
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I wonder where Celar & his fanily want to be.
I don't know where his partner is from but I presume she'd rather be near her family.
As for Celar, this is a World Cup season and if he has any ambition he needs to play games & score goals.
QPR wages may however also influence matters.
 
Star of David Bardsley said:
I don’t mind the CC team (easy for me to say not schlepping 250 miles each way on a Tuesday) if the logic plays out that we go into Saturday fresh and get at the opposition.

The first half was pure slop and little better than the 4-0 debacle there. The crowd from the 35th minute until Morgan’s goal were really on their backs and rightly so as the effort with and without the ball was appalling. It was like we were playing with nine men such was the space and options Watford had (Watford ffs, not ****ing Barcelona or even Ipswich). The goal totally changed the mood and I fancied us to have a real go second half which happened a bit for 20 mins or so without troubling the goalkeeper (naturally) and was killed stone dead once Dembele limped off (again).

Chair did link the play well second half and was very involved. The delivery was again poor (why not play Vale who has shown he can cross a football?) but we knocked it about at times quite nicely and stretched the play albeit almost always in front of the defence.

The XI was physically at a disadvantage. That will improve with Kone and Dunne but does nothing to fix the midfield which you won’t win many games without winning that battle which again brings us back to our mate Nicolas. Varane and Field between them can barely pass a football but the battle was at worst even for half an hour after being reminiscent of Custer’s final moments before that.
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Agreed on Vale, he looks good to me and compared to the likes of MadSeN he's Pirlo
 
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MickMack said:
And this is the issue, in possession we always flatter to deceive.
Fans walk away saying we were unlucky and we played some good stuff... we don't, our posession is either sideways or forward to Chair who collects the ball and does a series of one-twos until he's back at the half way line.

For all the possession in yesterdays second half only Kone's header required a clearance - a shot from Chair dribbled to the keeper and I refuse to talk about Fields attempts.

We only ever look to go forward once their defence and midfield are set, our long cross field balls don't stretch the defence, at most a midfielder moves across. Their defenders glance at our single stationary striker and wait to clean up any ball that appears once pressure has been applied to our midfielder.

Its slow predictable play, in front of their lines, that goes no where.
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It's been like that for ages now. We seem to still be in pre season, experimenting putting players out of position. In what world do you play a central midfielder at RB and a centre back/right back as LB and expect the balance to work. Even more baffling having one of each position on the bench?!?!. Why Adamson didn't start against Plymouth is beyond me but that game was all about the shop window and trying to add immediate value to our youngsters over actually winning. We are 2 games in and already the manager is talking about fatigue ffs
 
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MickMack said:
I wonder where Celar & his fanily want to be.
I don't know where his partner is from but I presume she'd rather be near her family.
As for Celar, this is a World Cup season and if he has any ambition he needs to play games & score goals.
QPR wages may however also influence matters.
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It would be a big blow to the algorithm nerds to admit defeat and loan him out while subsidising the wages in Switzerland / Slovenia so I doubt it’ll happen but he really needs to be a distant fourth choice behind Kone, Burrell and Kolli.
 
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I can't believe that Nourry would want to unduly influence team selection. Briatore tried it, but that was just his hubristic nature. I reckon Nourry is too much of a pragmatist to want to impose his ideas on a manager/head coach. Madsen must show up well in training for him to get the amount of game time that he does, but his lack of physicality makes him completely unsuited to a role with any defensive responsibilities. Varane must start when fit.
 
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Steelmonkey said:
He turned that round quick. Worrying times that the away faithful are already starting to grumble....Stephan was always going to struggle for support if he didn't get winning straight away
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The team selections are strange to say the least, Coventry won't be a walk in the park so things could get ugly...
 
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Sooperhoop said:
The team selections are strange to say the least, Coventry won't be a walk in the park so things could get ugly...
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I'm sure Julien has learned from his first half selection mistakes. He disrupted the balance on the pitch by playing players out of position. You can sometimes accommodate doing that with 1 position but he did it all over the pitch. That first half was on him, which I think he may have admitted. This obsession with just having a lone striker really is hampering us from winning games, we will, of course pick up the odd win here and there but we always seem to be more concerned how the opposition play over our own style and this is where we fail. We have to have confidence in how we play, be structured and express the talent we have. Every pre match (more so under Marti) was about how the opposition would play.
 
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He got it wrong first half Bob and sort of put his hands up to that

Clearly he's finding his way with a lot of variables - new club, new country, strange league, players he's seen for a few weeks and players he's seen for 10 minutes, our usual injury list - so he can be excused for the initial experimentation, hopefully he has learnt a valuable lesson and we won't see another first half shambles again

More worrying, and something mentioned in a few places and very noticeable Saturday in the stands, he has yet to develop any sort of bond with the already disaffected support. No Stephan songs, no recognition. At the final whistle I made my lad hang about until Stephan came over to applaud the fans. Previously I've seen most of the away support stay and reciprocate, but this time no one seemed to care too much and were heading out asap. After a cursory wave he nipped back down the tunnel sharpish. It's fair to say he doesn't (as yet) have the bond with the fans the way Marti did. That clearly will change based upon results but I don't think he has much time before they get on his back big time

Maybe hes a genius coach, let's hope so, but also he needs to develop a connection which hasn't happened as yet

Early doors but so far played 3 drawn 1 lost 2 isn't great given the football we've seen
 
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bobmid said:
I'm sure Julien has learned from his first half selection mistakes. He disrupted the balance on the pitch by playing players out of position. You can sometimes accommodate doing that with 1 position but he did it all over the pitch. That first half was on him, which I think he may have admitted. This obsession with just having a lone striker really is hampering us from winning games, we will, of course pick up the odd win here and there but we always seem to be more concerned how the opposition play over our own style and this is where we fail. We have to have confidence in how we play, be structured and express the talent we have. Every pre match (more so under Marti) was about how the opposition would play.
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Would JS be making those decisions or would it be our new amazing Defence coach. Quite disturbing that Steve Bould has overseen all 6 goals conceded that were all incredibly poor defending.
 
Yorkshire-Rs said:
Would JS be making those decisions or would it be our new amazing Defence coach. Quite disturbing that Steve Bould has overseen all 6 goals conceded that were all incredibly poor defending.
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It has to be JS making these decisions, any other theory is plainly a mad way to work.
 
WBA2_QPR3 said:
He got it wrong first half Bob and sort of put his hands up to that

Clearly he's finding his way with a lot of variables - new club, new country, strange league, players he's seen for a few weeks and players he's seen for 10 minutes, our usual injury list - so he can be excused for the initial experimentation, hopefully he has learnt a valuable lesson and we won't see another first half shambles again

More worrying, and something mentioned in a few places and very noticeable Saturday in the stands, he has yet to develop any sort of bond with the already disaffected support. No Stephan songs, no recognition. At the final whistle I made my lad hang about until Stephan came over to applaud the fans. Previously I've seen most of the away support stay and reciprocate, but this time no one seemed to care too much and were heading out asap. After a cursory wave he nipped back down the tunnel sharpish. It's fair to say he doesn't (as yet) have the bond with the fans the way Marti did. That clearly will change based upon results but I don't think he has much time before they get on his back big time

Maybe hes a genius coach, let's hope so, but also he needs to develop a connection which hasn't happened as yet

Early doors but so far played 3 drawn 1 lost 2 isn't great given the football we've seen
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Yeah it is early doors, as it is for every team but you are correct, he did throw his hands up and take it on the chin. It's not so much the results that have concerned me to be honest, it's been more of the selection of players and tactics. The cup game was just a value adding, shop window game which should have been told to the faithful well before tickets were purchased. Saturdays selection was just bizarre and if he keeps selecting MaDseN then we are in for a whole lot of trouble. The only way he could possibly play is in a 3 man central midfield which then leaves us even shorter in attacking threat.
 
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I didn't really subscribe to the Cup game being a 90 minute junior talent showcase but maybe you're right, maybe he was directed to play the kids. In a way it was positive in that we saw some good potential and given we always lose in the Cup, nothing was actually sacrificed
 
WBA2_QPR3 said:
I didn't really subscribe to the Cup game being a 90 minute junior talent showcase but maybe you're right, maybe he was directed to play the kids. In a way it was positive in that we saw some good potential and given we always lose in the Cup, nothing was actually sacrificed
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I got the feeling that it was 'shop window' time for Nardi and Bonner and to increase any value to the youngsters as in ' he made his debut at 16 he must be something special'. I honestly didn't see any other benefits from it.
 
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