I will 100% back the 11 players on the pitch for the 90+ minutes of the game - any game. I will also criticize this or any manager whose "playing style" leads us into a relegation dogfight
Walter Out
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I will 100% back the 11 players on the pitch for the 90+ minutes of the game - any game. I will also criticize this or any manager whose "playing style" leads us into a relegation dogfight
30 games is a lot of points? How many do you think we are going to win Wally? at the current rate we will win 9 games this season
Wally Out
Once again, Delap, Philogene, Connolly and Tufan had barely scored goals before coming here, and had the best goal scoring seasons of their careers with us. Carvalho on a goals per game basis also had his best goal scoring season with us. So no these players didn't 'know where the goals were' to the extent that they demonstrated last season. How have Tufan, Carvalho and Connolly gone this season?
You've answered your own question. Bedia and Kamara in particular have shown they have been prolific at other clubs. Far more than any of those players (other than Carvalho) that you mentioned.
I agree with your last point though and again that's why this all comes back to Walter, and a change in manager could well improve results by grinding out 0-0s and 1-0s.
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“ I never cross my arms, well not all the time “
He really does look like he’s not enjoying our wonderful ULL weather… the football may have something to do with that lol…
“ I never cross my arms, well not all the time “
He really does look like he’s not enjoying our wonderful ULL weather… the football may have something to do with that lol…
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Been thinking about tactics and how a major complaint about Walter’s football is the lack of midfield build-up and how this is a terrible tactic.
Hürzeler did the same thing at St. Pauli last season and this season with Brighton. At St. Pauli, his 3-4-3 formation was called a 3-0-7 because they completely vacated the midfield areas in build-up. At Brighton, he’s gone to a back four but the principle is the same. Their 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-4-1 has the single or double pivot vacate the midfield areas in build-up so it’s more like a 4-0-6. It worked at St. Pauli and it’s working at Brighton, even if they’re playing a risky high line and being vulnerable to counter-attacks.
The principle itself isn’t terrible and it evidently can be used in English football but for Walter he just hasn’t executed it properly with this crop of players. With the exception of Hughes, the back four just lack the passing range and technical ability to execute this unorthodox tactic. The problem is, Walter is too stubborn and set in his ways/philosophy to adapt to what he has available. He won’t have the midfield drop deeper to assist the technically-limited back four during build-up because it goes against his philosophy.
Hürzeler did the same thing at St. Pauli last season and this season with Brighton. At St. Pauli, his 3-4-3 formation was called a 3-0-7 because they completely vacated the midfield areas in build-up. At Brighton, he’s gone to a back four but the principle is the same. Their 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-4-1 has the single or double pivot vacate the midfield areas in build-up so it’s more like a 4-0-6. It worked at St. Pauli and it’s working at Brighton, even if they’re playing a risky high line and being vulnerable to counter-attacks.
The principle itself isn’t terrible and it evidently can be used in English football but for Walter he just hasn’t executed it properly with this crop of players. With the exception of Hughes, the back four just lack the passing range and technical ability to execute this unorthodox tactic. The problem is, Walter is too stubborn and set in his ways/philosophy to adapt to what he has available. He won’t have the midfield drop deeper to assist the technically-limited back four during build-up because it goes against his philosophy.
This is what happens now with every manager and every system - if the team aren't playing well people blame the system. Personally I think there's a world where Walter's tactics could've worked, but for whatever reason be it coaching, confidence, motivation, it isn't. Those things are also Walter's job so I definitely put the responsibility on him, but I don't think it has to be that the strategy is wrong.
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Look at those players being applauded by the travelling fans - grrrrrrr.
I agree. For whatever reason, it isn’t working and a large part of it is down to him, of course. That’s why I think he should go. The supporters are against him and don’t like him, the players don’t look happy and I struggle to see it finally clicking and us having a good, consistent run of form.
However, I don’t think he’s a terrible coach or that his tactics are terrible and will never work. There’s been glimpses of it working in spells here and his time at Hamburg shows that it is quite entertaining to watch when properly gelled and choreographed.
But it’s not working here and the longer he stays, the worse it gets for everyone involved.
Sh*t, just realised I'm looking more like Tim with every game I go to!
Caption Competition.
These XL straitjackets are a bit tight...I might ask Acun for a couple of XL's if I'm going to be here for any length of time.
Makes you wonder how many we’d have scored to turn draws into wins if we’d have had proven goal scorers!
Good post. Using logic and paying attention rather than just shouting 'Walter's ****' is fairly rare on here at the moment.
I think Drameh to an extent and definitely Hughes to be fair can play like this. Jones on very rare occasions can do it but more often than not Jones and Coyle won't dare pass further than their nearest man. It's why Coyle travels so far with the ball and why Jones contributes to us playing more slowly at the back than we need to.
Rosenior's build up was even slower, but it played more to our defender's capabilities and we were harder to beat as a result. With the quality up top we had, we were able to get results and be on the right side of fine margins more often.
The attackers we have now, particularly the strikers, the lack of calibre in attacking midfield and the wide players we're currently left with are not making the difference for grinding out results - ie; scoring goals and finishing chances.
Miserable twat?
On the upside, only a miserable twat for around half an hour post match! I'm forgetting how to celebrate, especially at home.
I haven't read an article with his comments in it for ages or watched any videos with him talking. He bores the frigging life out of me.
Rosenior’s build-up played to the team’s strengths and weaknesses; it was just incredibly boring at times and lacked vertical passes. Jones and Coyle aren’t brave with their passing. They’re both good defenders and Jones is quite press-resistant when he has the ball at his feet but neither of them are brave enough passing forward. You will often see the wingers making clever off the ball runs and Jones and Coyle will either not see it or will see it but turn back inside and play the easier pass. Greaves was more adventurous, as is Hughes. This was the case under Rosenior and now under Walter.
Rosenior understood Jones and Coyle were limited in their passing so had a double-pivot in front of them; Seri to drop deeper and assist in building from the back and Morton/Slater slightly more advanced as box-to-box mids. When Seri was at AFCON last year, the build-up suffered similar problems to now as neither Morton nor Slater looked comfortable showing for the ball in deep (and potentially dangerous areas) during build-up. Walter doesn’t have a midfielder drop deep at all during build-up. The holding midfielder doesn’t make himself a passing option and the two number 8s/10s are advanced.
The whole point of Walter’s tactics is that the holding midfielder vacates that space so that the two centre-halves can rotate into there to receive the ball on the half-turn, especially from the keeper.
Very good synopsis and when you read it
You think **** me it’s suicidal!!
Gary Neville and Tony adams would never do that and they’re arguably the two best players at cenner half and rb we’ve had