Walter Out

[Drew]

Genuine question, if that's your benchmark, would you be calling for LRs head now if he had stayed and managed the same points total Tim has so far?

Its a decent thought.

My answer would be that if Rosenior had the same points total and levels of performance we've had so far this season - I'd be questioning whether I think he was the right manager for the club - but I'm not sure I'd be calling for his head yet. Reason being he had a bit more good will in the bank from the last two seasons and we've seen him put together a decent side (even if some thought he was underperforming).

Walter doesn't have that good grace and I have nothing to base my confidence that he can pull it around. I still think there's a possibility that Walter can prove me wrong - but yesterday's second half showed so little progression in the side that I don't see where Walter's good tactics are going to suddenly come from.

 

[bradymk2]

Its a decent thought.

My answer would be that if Rosenior had the same points total and levels of performance we've had so far this season - I'd be questioning whether I think he was the right manager for the club - but I'm not sure I'd be calling for his head yet. Reason being he had a bit more good will in the bank from the last two seasons and we've seen him put together a decent side (even if some thought he was underperforming).

Walter doesn't have that good grace and I have nothing to base my confidence that he can pull it around. I still think there's a possibility that Walter can prove me wrong - but yesterday's second half showed so little progression in the side that I don't see where Walter's good tactics are going to suddenly come from.

Sums it up well

Its obvious someone whos been here for longer gets a bit more leeway and goodwill

But if rosie was manager now with these performances, he'd also be on thin ice

I personally cant see where the good perfomances are going to come from under walter
We will have sporadic periods of good play and we will win games here and there
But ultimately, i dont think it matters who the manager is
I think the clubs directionless, no leadership

**** knows where the club and team go from here

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

I don’t agree with that measure, Ben. Even if Liam had stayed, we still would have lost key players like Greaves, Philogene, Tufan, and the significant loan players like Delap. This would have required a major squad overhaul too, which means any fair 'hypothetical' evaluation of Liam’s performance this season would need to account for the high player turnover.

So, in my view, expecting Rosenior to finish at least 7th this season would have been unfair as well. Expecting Walter to achieve a 7th-place finish under similar/harder circumstances isn’t realistic if we're being fair.

I think Rosenior was treated poorly by the Club and some of the fans. Doing this to Walter won't correct anything.

I can see what you’re saying but the club has ambition to get into the PL.

Only a month or so ago Acun said the ambition this season was the play-offs & it was still achievable.,

I’m guessing that was the ambition from the off & Walter was aware of this & accepted it as a objective when taking on the position.

He’s falling far below expectations with absolutely no signs of improvement.

I called it ages ago, nothing has changed since. Not even slightly.

What do people see as positives? How will he get us to the play-offs, that Acun says are achievable?

We’ve signed some capable players, they need some direction & leadership that they’re not getting currently.

 

[HulltoHellandback]

Sums it up well

Its obvious someone whos been here for longer gets a bit more leeway and goodwill

But if rosie was manager now with these performances, he'd also be on thin ice

I personally cant see where the good perfomances are going to come from under walter
We will have sporadic periods of good play and we will win games here and there
But ultimately, i dont think it matters who the manager is
I think the clubs directionless, no leadership

**** knows where the club and team go from here

For a start Acun needs to take a back seat and appoint someone to run the club on a daily basis. Preferably someone who knows English football. I don't think his ego will let him though

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

He may well have been, but if he was still here with this squad and this points total, would you be calling for his head?

Probably, but I think he’d have managed them differently, have more points & a higher league position. This isn’t about LR, he’s gone. He’d have signed different players so hardly comparable.

These are Walter’s players. Would LR have signed the same? Did TW sell his style to his players prior to them signing? It’s about TW & his inept management.

 

[Ric Glasgow]

He may well have been, but if he was still here with this squad and this points total, would you be calling for his head?

What are the owners aspirations at the Club then?

We're clearly weaker this season than we were the last,several of our players had offers to progress their careers,some asked to leave with no resistance,some were loanees.

Our recruitment clearly hasn't been up to scratch and we've obviously regressed?

Hopefully at the end of this season there isn't a similar exodus or we could find ourselves knee deep in a relegation scrap next season.

 

[Howdentiger2]

What are the owners aspirations at the Club then?

We're clearly weaker this season than we were the last,several of our players had offers to progress their careers,some asked to leave with no resistance,some were loanees.

Our recruitment clearly hasn't been up to scratch and we've obviously regressed?

Hopefully at the end of this season there isn't a similar exodus or we could find ourselves knee deep in a relegation scrap next season.

I think they'll be a much bigger departure in the summer if we don't go up ( which is looking near on impossible )

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

I think they'll be a much bigger departure in the summer if we don't go up ( which is looking near on impossible )

I’m going nowhere.

 

[HulltoHellandback]

I think they'll be a much bigger departure in the summer if we don't go up ( which is looking near on impossible )

Acun then I'm guessing

 

[Howdentiger2]

I’m going nowhere.

FFS ruin my Sunday why don't you

 

[Ric Glasgow]

I think they'll be a much bigger departure in the summer if we don't go up ( which is looking near on impossible )

That's a real possibility and a real concern.If Acun sticks to the same policy we could regress further.

 

[HulltoHellandback]

If that's the case he might as well start the sale process now given how long it takes as we're definitely not going up!

 

[Kalman II]

The constant rebuilds every summer means we’ll have no chance of going up. It’s one step forward and two back every summer.

Acun’s ownership will end in tears.

 

[TigerMarv]

If we’re on course for 53 points already and this is the worst we’ll ever be, wouldn’t it make sense to keep him in charge longer? 4 or 5 extra wins puts you in a play off spot.

What makes you think this is the worse we'll be

 

[willyfog]

Acun said he got rid of Rosenior for more attacking football.

Walter isn’t delivering us this promise and he’s made a rod for his own back.

Losing so many players and bringing so many in, coupled with a brand new style of football and you could have predicted our start to the season. Acun’s stitched himself up and now looks likely to pull the trigger - barring another good run.

 

[gftiger]

True actually, I thought it would have us a bit safer but having looked at last season it’s only 2 places above relegation. Previous seasons it can be as much as 6 places above relegation.

Since the 2001/02 season, the average amount of points needed to finish 21st and stay up is 48.6.

It works out to be 1.13 points per game, and we are currently averaging 1.15 points per game.

 

[Leon...]

The constant rebuilds every summer means we’ll have no chance of going up. It’s one step forward and two back every summer.

Acun’s ownership will end in tears.

I appreciate his ownership.

The moribund latter years of the Allams nearly crippled this club for a generation. I boycotted from Wembley 2016 until they left and felt no better for it in truth. I felt disconnected.

But under Acun we have revitalised the fan base. One of the major plusses for me is kids around the city who are back interested in City - I see this first hand and it feels like a club rooted back in its communities again.

Granted, I have found some of the football decisions baffling and I agree with you- we need to lay plans, rather than rip them up year on year. But, with his investment and what I have outlined above, I can ultimately forgive footballing mistakes and folly quite easily.

 

[Blaknamberblood]

I keep reading about entertaining football being the reason Walter was brought in, but were is the evidence of this so far, its just a chaotic mess, going forward we are toothless, the midfield in the system he is asking them to play is a none entity, leaving the defence to pass it among themselves, its crap, and lets not kid ourselves its anything other then that. Me personally from what I've witnessed so far under his tenure suggests whatever system he is trying to employ is t working at Championship level. I see no future in the bloke here, sorry.

 

[Tony Angelino]

I really wanted Walter to work with him being German, but I miss Rosey, Rosey had us in the right track, and Acun has ****ed up big time by sacking Rosey.

Thing is you are judging Rosie and what he achieved with a cracking squad. If acun doesn’t sack Rosie then there’s absolutely no way of knowing he’d be doing any better with this squad. Equally we could argue Tim would have made the playoffs with Rosie’s squad.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

Thing is you are judging Rosie and what he achieved with a cracking squad. If acun doesn’t sack Rosie then there’s absolutely no way of knowing he’d be doing any better with this squad. Equally we could argue Tim would have made the playoffs with Rosie’s squad.

Comparing LR & TW is comparing chalk & cheese.

If TW is relieved of his duties the better comparison would be how the replacement performs with the squad he inherits. The same players TW leaves behind.