Walter Out

[NewcastleTiger]

There's not been an overreaction at all.

Tim's been in post for 2.5 months now and had around 12 games in charge. I can't remember the last time we put in 12 consecutive performances as bad as this, but it's been woeful. We've not taken the lead in any of the games and haven't looked like winning either, to be frank, it's been pathetic.

There's plenty of talk about give him time, but you'd expect to be seeing shoots of optimisim/hope/promise by now and we haven't. Yes the recruitment situation didn't help but he's got to be getting more out of those already here. Most this board were desperate for Oscar to be recalled, only for him to be **** a few weeks later.

In terms of attackers though he’s using players that have been here less than 3 weeks altogether and the last attack that started played their first game as a trio. People seem to think coaches are miracle workers and would be able to get them firing instantly.

I’m not even convinced by Walter but people just have no clue about the complexities of the professional game and the enormous challenge Walter is facing due to recruitment. (Not aimed at you Shark).

I played with 2 ex pros the other day who have grown up playing with each other. The chemistry between the pair of them was ridiculous they would pass to each other off the sound of their voices, they’d know exactly where each other were just from muscle memory. I really don’t think people understand how long it can take for players to form chemistry playing with each other. There is only so much a coach can do, that being said, Walter’s tactics are suicidal at times and do need tweaks for us to see better returns

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

1904 podcast.
Baz: I believe there's unrest amongst the players, they aren't happy
Burnsy: Have you heard comments from the players themselves?
Baz: err, umm, no
Burnsy: OK, have you heard anything 'off the record' from players or anyone at the club then
Baz: err, umm, but they've been absymal at home for around 5 seasons now, the fans aren't happy, the only time they've been good at home is during covid when fans weren't there and I don't think it's a co-incidence.

WTF have I just heard!!
I usually stand up for Baz, HDM etc, or at least don't knock them for the fun of it, but come on! There has to be an agenda now at play.

Interesting what Fletch had to say now he's not employed by the club.

In the last couple of episodes.

You've got a direct club employee there who still has a relationship with the players asking certain questions, Baz alluding to be neutral but not denying anything and Burnsy just cocking an eyebrow.

And a daily mail reporter stating the ****ing obvious.

There's no conspiracy. They're journos being journos on a pod.

But don't think for a second they're less informed or more agenda driven than you are.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

I really enjoy the 1904 podcast. But having just finished watching this week’s, I’m left to agree there has been a massive overreaction.

I said before the games, Leeds and Sheff Utd should not be judged. We were never expected to win.

The next 3 on the other hand (Stoke, Cardiff, QPR) are perfect to analyse as Tim Walter will have had more time and we are expecting to get something out of all three, including at least one win.

We have had a bad start. We aren’t playing well. But that doesn’t mean it will continue when we play those teams around us! We might get 7 or 9 points from these yet!

If we lose all three or play terribly/have little shots on target, then questions can rightly be asked. Not yet though. A lot of fans are jumping ahead and have got it in for Tim Walter already. I’m pretty sure the majority are the ones who disagreed with the Liam Rosenior sacking.

Last time I’ll say it, I hope he proves them wrong.

The majority did disagree with the Rosinior sacking.

 

[NewcastleTiger]

The majority did disagree with the Rosinior sacking.

From a footballing standpoint there is no justification.

Football entertainment had improved at the back end, had we let the leash off a bit earlier we’d have not been so far behind on goal difference but that’s part of Rosie’s learning curve I imagine he’s taken to France

 

[Shark Sports]

In terms of attackers though he’s using players that have been here less than 3 weeks altogether and the last attack that started played their first game as a trio. People seem to think coaches are miracle workers and would be able to get them firing instantly.

I’m not even convinced by Walter but people just have no clue about the complexities of the professional game and the enormous challenge Walter is facing due to recruitment. (Not aimed at you Shark).

I think that point is overused as I think the bigger problem is progressing the ball from the defence. And the back 5 have been here all pre-season and are still massively struggling.

The attackers, for the most part, are good players so while they won't be on the same wavelength yet, I'd expect us to fumble the odd goal if we could get the ball to them more regularly in good areas.

From what we've seen of his attacking play, it's just so one-dimensional, as it's very cross-heavy and for Championship defenders, it's too easy. We're a small side so it doesn't make sense either. And if this was the plan, surely we should've been signing taller players.

On the Pod, I think Burnsy was spot on when he said to park the bus and grind out results whilst we get players up to speed. That's where I have no sympathy at all for TW. He's chosen to play this style from the go, instead of being more pragmatic and building slowly over the coming weeks. It's extremely naive and it'll probably cost him his job.

 

[Shark Sports]

Interesting what Fletch had to say now he's not employed by the club.

In the last couple of episodes.

You've got a direct club employee there who still has a relationship with the players asking certain questions, Baz alluding to be neutral but not denying anything and Burnsy just cocking an eyebrow.

And a daily mail reporter stating the ****ing obvious.

There's no conspiracy. They're journos being journos on a pod.

But don't think for a second they're less informed or more agenda driven than you are.

You don't have to be ITK to know it's not a happy camp.

It's obvious, the reasons why are less clear.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

1904 podcast.
Baz: I believe there's unrest amongst the players, they aren't happy
Burnsy: Have you heard comments from the players themselves?
Baz: err, umm, no
Burnsy: OK, have you heard anything 'off the record' from players or anyone at the club then
Baz: err, umm, but they've been absymal at home for around 5 seasons now, the fans aren't happy, the only time they've been good at home is during covid when fans weren't there and I don't think it's a co-incidence.

WTF have I just heard!!
I usually stand up for Baz, HDM etc, or at least don't knock them for the fun of it, but come on! There has to be an agenda now at play.

For someone who gets their back up so much about people repeating things not exactly as they were said, I've gone back to listen to that specific moment in the episode. The direct quote is "There's a general feeling of frustration.. players want to win games". He then goes onto talking about the home form, but he specifically said "There's a general feeling of frustration". He answers the question. That's the players being frustrated. You really do get utterly and needlessly worked up sometimes about the wording of things as if we're all operating in a court of law where the precise word on the record has to be analysed and dissected to the umpteenth degree.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

You don't have to be ITK to know it's not a happy camp.

It's obvious, the reasons why are less clear.

They're clear enough alright.

Alfie-Potts-Harmer-Lambo's-Lad-Fearnley-Whittingstall pretty much sumed it up on his YouTube channel.

 

[Shark Sports]

They're clear enough alright.

Alfie-Potts-Harmer-Lambo's-Lad-Fearnley-Whittingstall pretty much sumed it up on his YouTube channel.

What did he say?

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

What did he say?

just ****ing watch it. It isn't difficult.

 

[Shark Sports]

just ****ing watch it.

Bizarre response

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

****ing watch it.

Bizarre response

It's in the public domain. it's easy enough to find. I'm not your babysitter.

 

[NewcastleTiger]

I think that point is overused as I think the bigger problem is progressing the ball from the defence. And the back 5 have been here all pre-season and are still massively struggling.

The attackers, for the most part, are good players so while they won't be on the same wavelength yet, I'd expect us to fumble the odd goal if we could get the ball to them more regularly in good areas.

From what we've seen of his attacking play, it's just so one-dimensional, as it's very cross-heavy and for Championship defenders, it's too easy. We're a small side so it doesn't make sense either. And if this was the plan, surely we should've been signing taller players.

On the Pod, I think Burnsy was spot on when he said to park the bus and grind out results whilst we get players up to speed. That's where I have no sympathy at all for TW. He's chosen to play this style from the go, instead of being more pragmatic and building slowly over the coming weeks. It's extremely naive and it'll probably cost him his job.

It’s very rare you’ll find a coach that’ll adapt to his personnel anymore. Coberan is probably the best example I can think of, he’s the one who got away

 

[Shark Sports]

It’s very rare you’ll find a coach that’ll adapt to his personnel anymore. Coberan is probably the best example I can think of, he’s the one who got away

We just place a bizarre amount of emphasis on style. Coberan definitely was.

Football nowadays is just massively overcomplicated, largely by owners who don't have a clue but use clubs as vanity projects.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

We just place a bizarre amount of emphasis on style. Coberan definitely was.

Football nowadays is just massively overcomplicated, largely by owners who don't have a clue but use clubs as vanity projects.

While I agree somewhat, you see dinosaurs like Moyes, Wilder, Bruce etc. largely run out of the game because it isn't as simple as stripping back all the complexity and achieving success.

 

[DuaneDarby18]

The majority did disagree with the Rosinior sacking.

I should have said “wanted Rosenior to stay.” Because I, for one, didn’t agree with the sacking, but wanted the gamble of a new manager who plays attacking football.

 

[DuaneDarby18]

2.5 months with a new squad of players in a new league is not a long time. A lot of the players arrived late too. The Sheff Utd game is the only one we can have any real justification of analysing - and they’re a team that have come down from the Premier League! They might have played poorly, but they have a lot of quality players who would walk into our side!

We haven’t seen much promise, I agree. But my whole point is, we should see that promise in the next three. If we don’t, then it’s fair to be worried and question if he’s the right man for the job.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

2.5 months with a new squad of players in a new league is not a long time. A lot of the players arrived late too. The Sheff Utd game is the only one we can have any real justification of analysing - and they’re a team that have come down from the Premier League! They might have played poorly, but they have a lot of quality players who would walk into our side!

We haven’t seen much promise, I agree. But my whole point is, we should see that promise in the next three. If we don’t, then it’s fair to be worried and question if he’s the right man for the job.

Just a minor one, but I'm getting kind of sick of people calling Sheffield United a PL team as if their spell in the PL wasn't one of the worst in its history. They were absolutely destroyed and their squad was weaker than it had been the season prior in the Championship. They have PL money but they didn't have a PL team. They have brought in some astute signings, but let's be real, Moore and Rak-Sakiyi - a kid who has previously played no higher than Kamara has - are not PL calibre signings that should see them wiping us off the pitch.

 

[Tony Angelino]

It's in the public domain. it's easy enough to find. I'm not your babysitter.

Is everyone on the blob this week

 

[Amin Arrears]

What baloney? “Axe to grind” hahahaha

Did we not play 6 friendlies & a League Cup game?

If we “pretend” these games did happen. What was the point of them? Maybe to project a playing style? Improve fitness? Assess players? Create a team ethic?

The team has been the same throughout, whether you like it or not.

Pandur, Mac, Jones, Giles, Omur, 11/12 games. Slater 10/12 games. Mehlem 8/8. Simons 8/12.

Pandur, Coyle, Jones, Mac, Giles, Mehlem, Omur have started every League game.
Slater & Millar have started 4 & played in all 5.

Despite these “axe to grind” factafuckingmondoes we have not only won **** all in terms of games, we haven’t even won a half. We haven’t taken the lead. We haven’t improved performance wise. We haven’t looked like winning. We haven’t looked like a team that has, in the main, played 12 games together.

We have scored 1 goal from open play, by a defender. We also scored a penalty but sold the scorer to bring in somebody I’d liken to a donkey, only a donkey can jump higher, has better balance & could kick the ball better.

There is no evidence of his attacking style of play because he doesn’t have one.

I saw it pre-season, it’s more than evident now that the man is winging it. I’m sure the players can see it too.

He was happy after Friday’s flaccid effort against , for some, our most disliked team.

**** him off & bring in a proper coach.

Lots of nice facts, well represented.