That he thinks you're denying Walter accepted anything needed to change at all so challenged you on that. You are probably talking about the need to tighten up from corners and stop bypassing midfield which he pretty much did deny needed changing, and I'm saying the end result is the same anyway, a massive red flag and a pointless argument.
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That he thinks you're denying Walter accepted anything needed to change at all so challenged you on that. You are probably talking about the need to tighten up from corners and stop bypassing midfield which he pretty much did deny needed changing, and I'm saying the end result is the same anyway, a massive red flag and a pointless argument.
No you’re not the only one, but every time someone mentions the small facts that have been mentioned numerous times, you jump on it with your opinion & turn it into a negative rant.
But I don’t need to tell you that.
V good post imo.
Although I don't think it has been "poor management from above" this window. It was a needed mass clear out and rebuild. Maybe arguably the mistakes were in earlier windows where our own solid base wasn't built. Of course everyone would have liked it all done earlier but that's not how it works. The failure was of course in not landing the hopefully for CF, they clearly tried but we don't know the full details.
Last paragraph spot on. Same with Rosenior. It is a warning flag when a manager is so stuck on his playing style. Surely clever managers adapt, flex, build towards their style, etc (as Baz nicely said on the podcast )
No you’re not the only one, but every time someone mentions the small facts that have been mentioned numerous times, you jump on it with your opinion & turn it into a negative rant.
But I don’t need to tell you that.
Yes I'm not the only one.
It's a discussion forum where a number of people are discussing the manager in a thread dedicated to discussing him. If you're fed up of people discussing him you're welcome to avoid this thread.
Rosenior did start at the back then slowly implement his style though, as opposed to imposing it all at once. He integrated his changes more gradually.
What I took from Rosie and his highly prescribed style of play though is that it probably did help more limited players get to a certain level - was probably overachieving with what he had up to Xmas and new year, but the problems came when better players came in and it was actually over-prescribed and limiting for those more creative players following the January influx.
This is nail on head for me.
Translating that over to now I think TW style massively exposes a fairly limited defensive line that are struggling to get to grips with it.
He's doing nothing to help them. How is Macca ending up in the 10 position half the time doing anything to protect against the counter?
So far, we’ve made more defensive errors leading to a shot than any other team in the league (5), we’re 22nd for tackles and interceptions (106), 23rd for tackles (70), 21st for tackles in the attacking third (6), and 15th for tackles in our defensive third.
At the other end of the field, we’re 23rd for goal-creating actions.
At the other end of the field, we’re 23rd for goal-creating actions.
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That first stat is a good example of why anyone saying our defense is solid is bonkers.
It's not, but at the same time we seemed fine when Greaves used to go on those runs.
He seemed to pick and chose when there was acceptable risk and it was more carrying the ball forward as opposed to popping up in the 10 on a regular basis and leaving space though.
Sometimes you need to judge based on the flow of the game, and if they're looking to exploit the counter (as sides constantly are under Walter) then is it the best idea?
Obviously if you're in control, have cover and camped on the edge of their box trying to break down a deep defence, then it's probably when that's more appropriate.
Basically what I'm trying to say was that Greaves did it sparingly and rarely went AWOL, whereas Macca seems to be specifically deployed to do that.
The first and last stats are pretty damning, but I think the ones about tackles just reflect the fact that we've been on the ball a lot. You don't make a lot of tackles when you've got loads of possession.
I feel like I should clarify my stance on this as I think people are getting the wrong idea...
I don’t currently see us playing well and I'm not particularly happy with what I'm seeing. That being said, I can see positives along with the negatives. The first things that need to change are the build up play, or moreso, the players buying into the build up play and to start playing like Hamburg did under TW. Weve not seen that yet. The other issue is the chance creation. I think we're getting into good positions more than we did last season, the biggest problem we're having at the moment is decision making and making the most out of those opportunities, which is costing us at both ends.
The aspect of all this I'm challenging is that this 'project' needs more than a handful of games to start bearing some sort of fruit before people start nailing their colours on. Whether it will begin to work out or not, I've honestly no idea... I've said from the get go my question mark would be whether this style would work in this league, but right now we're not seeing the playing style in action. I think the only sensible thing we can do as a club and ideally as a fanbase alongside it is give the manager and the team the time required to see if this works. We all knew we'd be in this situation and we all knew patience would have to factor in. The stars would have had to align in order to get a top 6 points return from the opening fixtures.
I don’t currently see us playing well and I'm not particularly happy with what I'm seeing. That being said, I can see positives along with the negatives. The first things that need to change are the build up play, or moreso, the players buying into the build up play and to start playing like Hamburg did under TW. Weve not seen that yet. The other issue is the chance creation. I think we're getting into good positions more than we did last season, the biggest problem we're having at the moment is decision making and making the most out of those opportunities, which is costing us at both ends.
The aspect of all this I'm challenging is that this 'project' needs more than a handful of games to start bearing some sort of fruit before people start nailing their colours on. Whether it will begin to work out or not, I've honestly no idea... I've said from the get go my question mark would be whether this style would work in this league, but right now we're not seeing the playing style in action. I think the only sensible thing we can do as a club and ideally as a fanbase alongside it is give the manager and the team the time required to see if this works. We all knew we'd be in this situation and we all knew patience would have to factor in. The stars would have had to align in order to get a top 6 points return from the opening fixtures.
If the space created is used better and we convert as a result then its not a problem. As I say, with more time and a greater team understanding of each other we possibly start converting those chances rather than conceding from them. Only time will tell to be honest. I'm not against it in theory, but right now, in practice it's not doing us any favours.
Yeah, totally agree.
I think most of us would accept greater risk if it was looking like bringing greater reward.
Just its clearly not.
23 / 24
Bristol 1
Plymouth 0
Millwall 3
Leeds 0
South'ton 0
Total 4 points - assuming Southampton were replaced by Sheff U
24 / 25
Bristol 1
Plymouth 1
Millwall 1
Leeds 0
Sheff U 0
Total 3 points
not really much difference to last season except one or two poodles having a meltdown
worth adding that we beat both Cardiff and Stoke who we play in our next 2 games
Bristol 1
Plymouth 0
Millwall 3
Leeds 0
South'ton 0
Total 4 points - assuming Southampton were replaced by Sheff U
24 / 25
Bristol 1
Plymouth 1
Millwall 1
Leeds 0
Sheff U 0
Total 3 points
not really much difference to last season except one or two poodles having a meltdown
worth adding that we beat both Cardiff and Stoke who we play in our next 2 games
Indeed there's very little difference, apart from that we're in the bottom 3 as opposed to being in and around the playoffs all season.
