Walter Out

[SydneyTiger14]

You've made that up (the in bold bit).
He didn't say those things. In fact he very clearly said there were things to improve.

I didn't make it up at all, it was literally a question Baz put to him and he said no they didn't. Baz referenced it on the 1904 podcast. He was also asked what he thought of the game and he said it was very good outside of the two mistakes. So no I didn't make that up ta.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Corrected for you .....
This data pretty much proves the point (think it's called an own goal in football parlance).
We've lost 21 players that previously formed the playing group; yes, some were fringe / not involved but still it's a gigantic outflow, coupled with the below, a gigantic inflow. Several of the players are not only new to City, but new to the country. Even the coach and his staff were new to the country until a couple of months ago.
Some of the comments being made on here are simply bonkers.
The last thing Walter and the players need is fans so hard on their backs spouting bollox (whether that's in real life or on social media - word does get round).
Have some faith and patience and support the club. If it proves a disaster then fine, but calling it now, already, even after reflecting on how long the squad have been here and how little they've played together. Really? Just look at those numbers below. They are our future starting X1 and bench, along with probably Jones, Giles, Omur as starters, and maybe Coyle & Slater and SMcG at a push on the bench. It's nearly a brand new team TO BE, with a new coaching team and style. 4 haven't even played. 9 have played less than a game. My days.

Alzate - 0
Rushworth - 0 (I could add Racioppi but adding 2 keepers to make a point would be nearly as barmy as some of the posts on here atm)
Hughes - 0
Puerto - 0
Kamara - 45
Mehlem - 513'
Millar - 409'
Bedia - 207'
Burns - 147'
Zambrano - 136'
Burtsow - 95'
Drameh - 69'
Belloumi - 68'
Kamara - 45'
Palmer - 34'

So between the ten SIXTEEN new signings .., played an average of 172' 117' a player, so close to two full games each just over 1 game each average (which is no time at all, but anyway totally meaningless stat as 9 have played less than 1 full game with 4 not even playing at all yet!!). The top three are telling though as Mehlem, Millar and Bedia have played a pretty solid chunk of minutes now, and are three of our most attacking players. They've played 3-4 full games on average between them.Funnily enough Palmer has probably looked one of the best of them and he's played the least! In fact the bottom four for minutes have probably looked the most promising!

 

[The B&S Fanclub]

Where did you 'pluck' that one from?

When he got the tintack from his job he was spitting feathers.

Answer, Alan Ashman...former boss of WBA won the FA CUP with them in about 68 or 69..somewhere in that ballpark.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

I didn't make it up at all, it was literally a question Baz put to him and he said no they didn't. Baz referenced it on the 1904 podcast. He was also asked what he thought of the game and he said it was very good outside of the two mistakes. So no I didn't make that up ta.

I've just listened again to the post match interview.

Anyone who can't interpret / understand what he's saying is an idiot (or else has some weird agenda against the new coach of a club they supposedly support).

Yes, he says "I'm really happy with the way we performed because this is the way to the results". An overview comment about the players trying to adapt to what he wants (he used the phrase "the way the players are trying...").

Then he explains VERBATIM:
"how we conceded the goals, I was angry about that"
"we can create even more chances"
"our final pass has to be better"
"have to do better, have to find the right decision"
"...and that's what we didn't do today"
"we can do it better"
"we scored the goals for them"
"that's what we can do better"
"more sharpness, more conviction"
"we can do better in defending, in set pieces, in ...."

You VERBATIM claimed "(he), doesn't believe we need to tighten up defensively at corners, and doesn't see any issues with how we played beyond two mistakes".

I'm calling you out as posting absolute bolloxs. You are literally making stuff up. Please stop it.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

I've just listened again to the post match interview.

Anyone who can't interpret / understand what he's saying is an idiot (or else has some weird agenda against the new coach of a club they supposedly support).

Yes, he says "I'm really happy with the way we performed because this is the way to the results". An overview comment about the players trying to adapt to what he wants (he used the phrase "the way the players are trying...").

Then he explains VERBATIM:
"how we conceded the goals, I was angry about that"
"we can create even more chances"
"our final pass has to be better"
"have to do better, have to find the right decision"
"...and that's what we didn't do today"
"we can do it better"
"we scored the goals for them"
"that's what we can do better"
"more sharpness, more conviction"
"we can do better in defending, in set pieces, in ...."

You VERBATIM claimed "(he), doesn't believe we need to tighten up defensively at corners, and doesn't see any issues with how we played beyond two mistakes".

I'm calling you out as posting absolute bolloxs. You are literally making stuff up. Please stop it.

You know that that wasn't the only post match interview he did right? Or are you calling Baz a liar? Did you listen to all the questions baz asked or are you presuming his answers to those questions was the same?

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

It's only been 12 games if you've got an axe to grind.

More or less the same isn't the same is it. Those that played together last season (the defence) are clearly struggling to be more adventurous. Greaves is gone as well who was outstanding. Those that came in, most of them haven't had 100 minutes yet, with 4 still registering zero. If I could be bothered I'd look at all mins played by new signings and give you an average but it won't make a blind bit of difference as your mind is made up already and there won't be any hearing it.

What baloney? “Axe to grind” hahahaha

Did we not play 6 friendlies & a League Cup game?

If we “pretend” these games did happen. What was the point of them? Maybe to project a playing style? Improve fitness? Assess players? Create a team ethic?

The team has been the same throughout, whether you like it or not.

Pandur, Mac, Jones, Giles, Omur, 11/12 games. Slater 10/12 games. Mehlem 8/8. Simons 8/12.

Pandur, Coyle, Jones, Mac, Giles, Mehlem, Omur have started every League game.
Slater & Millar have started 4 & played in all 5.

Despite these “axe to grind” factafuckingmondoes we have not only won **** all in terms of games, we haven’t even won a half. We haven’t taken the lead. We haven’t improved performance wise. We haven’t looked like winning. We haven’t looked like a team that has, in the main, played 12 games together.

We have scored 1 goal from open play, by a defender. We also scored a penalty but sold the scorer to bring in somebody I’d liken to a donkey, only a donkey can jump higher, has better balance & could kick the ball better.

There is no evidence of his attacking style of play because he doesn’t have one.

I saw it pre-season, it’s more than evident now that the man is winging it. I’m sure the players can see it too.

He was happy after Friday’s flaccid effort against , for some, our most disliked team.

**** him off & bring in a proper coach.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

You know that that wasn't the only post match interview he did right? Or are you calling Baz a liar? Did you listen to all the questions baz asked or are you presuming his answers to those questions was the same?

I give up, I honestly do.
Yes, I follow Baz, I listen to the podcast, I listen to the interviews, I read what he writes!!
The words I posted are literally verbatim the things he said post match.
If you can't understand what he's actually saying then sorry but there's no hope for you and no point debating.

 

[Benjo]

What baloney? “Axe to grind” hahahaha

Did we not play 6 friendlies & a League Cup game?

If we “pretend” these games did happen. What was the point of them? Maybe to project a playing style? Improve fitness? Assess players? Create a team ethic?

The team has been the same throughout, whether you like it or not.

Pandur, Mac, Jones, Giles, Omur, 11/12 games. Slater 10/12 games. Mehlem 8/8. Simons 8/12.

Pandur, Coyle, Jones, Mac, Giles, Mehlem, Omur have started every League game.
Slater & Millar have started 4 & played in all 5.

Despite these “axe to grind” factafuckingmondoes we have not only won **** all in terms of games, we haven’t even won a half. We haven’t taken the lead. We haven’t improved performance wise. We haven’t looked like winning. We haven’t looked like a team that has, in the main, played 12 games together.

We have scored 1 goal from open play, by a defender. We also scored a penalty but sold the scorer to bring in somebody I’d liken to a donkey, only a donkey can jump higher, has better balance & could kick the ball better.

There is no evidence of his attacking style of play because he doesn’t have one.

I saw it pre-season, it’s more than evident now that the man is winging it. I’m sure the players can see it too.

He was happy after Friday’s flaccid effort against , for some, our most disliked team.

**** him off & bring in a proper coach.

We played 6 friendlies and a league cup game when the squad was crippled. Pre season and the way we went about ours was a complete waste of time. Should have arranged games against poor opposition rather than against teams where we're the clear underdogs everytime. I can't imagine for one minute you'd be happy if we'd won every friendly 5-0 then lost our 5 league games so let's not pretend those games matter for anything other than building fitness.

Everything else there is absolutely laughable. We've been playing players out of necessity until essentially last week. In some positions we're still fielding players out of necessity.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

We played 6 friendlies and a league cup game when the squad was crippled. Pre season and the way we went about ours was a complete waste of time. Should have arranged games against poor opposition rather than against teams where we're the clear underdogs everytime. I can't imagine for one minute you'd be happy if we'd won every friendly 5-0 then lost our 5 league games so let's not pretend those games matter for anything other than building fitness.

Everything else there is absolutely laughable. We've been playing players out of necessity until essentially last week. In some positions we're still fielding players out of necessity.

A crippled squad but a team he still plays now?

Last week we could pick & choose but he still played 9 players who had played the previous 4?

He has had more than a fair crack & is getting found out. People need to stop clutching at straws & creating a narrative that doesn’t exist.

“Clear underdogs”? Reading? Donny? JHC.

If you think pre-season for a new manager who has gone big with how he plays “heart attack” football is nothing more than getting players fit then there’s no hope.

 

[Benjo]

A crippled squad but a team he still plays now?

Last week we could pick & choose but he still played 9 players who had played the previous 4?

He has had more than a fair crack & is getting found out. People need to stop clutching at straws & creating a narrative that doesn’t exist.

There's no straw being clutched at here. It's just common sense.

Alzate isn't fit enough yet
Hughes is injured
Rushworth is injured
Palmer came in on the last day and had two promising sub appearances
Puerta I honestly don't know so that point could maybe apply there
For all we know Burns has a playing clause or perhaps he trained well and thought he'd give him a try at DM.

He's still discovering which players are his best options as we go through game by game. Say what you want about that but bear in mind he'll have signed off on them, but hasn't chosen them. The one he actually knows well in Mehlem has featured prominently and played well enough. He's also been here longer than most of the others.

You may end up being right, but right now I don't see how it's anything other than impossible to pass that judgement with such conviction.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

There's no straw being clutched at here. It's just common sense.

Alzate isn't fit enough yet
Hughes is injured
Rushworth is injured
Palmer came in on the last day and had two promising sub appearances
Puerta I honestly don't know so that point could maybe apply there
For all we know Burns has a playing clause or perhaps he trained well and thought he'd give him a try at DM.

He's still discovering which players are his best options as we go through game by game. Say what you want about that but bear in mind he'll have signed off on them, but hasn't chosen them. The one he actually knows well in Mehlem has featured prominently and played well enough. He's also been here longer than most of the others.

You may end up being right, but right now I don't see how it's anything other than impossible to pass that judgement with such conviction.

You changed the narrative.

You said they’re strangers to each other. The team he’s playing aren’t, They know each other well yet show no improvement regarding implementing his system, performance or results.

That’s down to his inept management.

 

[PLT]

People keep focusing on the factors that excuse our form, but ignoring the things that are irrelevant to those factors. Yes, our delays in building the squad will have inevitably made Tim's job harder in getting his style of play across among other things, but it doesn't excuse the team losing so many physical battles against Sheff United, or the absolutely defeated body language of the players along with the rumours that they're not enjoying playing for us under Tim. We really should be talking more about those fundamental things. Those are the things that get a manager sacked soon after their appointment.

 

[HCAFCHangout]

You changed the narrative.

You said they’re strangers to each other. The team he’s playing aren’t, They know each other well yet show no improvement regarding implementing his system, performance or results.

That’s down to his inept management.

The only constants have been the back 4 and GK really. The midfield has chopped and changed. Omur has been playing several different positions and to be honest has really dropped in form from what we saw at the tail end of last season. Predicting a XI is so hard at the moment because the midfield and attacking 3 haven't formed a best team yet for a myriad of reasons. Mehlem is the only one that's been a constant in his position and looks the brightest. I dont think that's a coincidence.

It wouldn't surprise me if again the 2 midfielders next to Mehlem (I say this only because I think its going to take an injury for Mehlem to be dropped. He's clearly one of Walter's early favourites) is completely different against Stoke. If it doesn't work again it will be different against Cardiff.

Our brightest winger goes off on international duty to only get back the night before the game. Same with Palmer but hard to say how affective he will be even though he has shown bright patches in limited time.

We've also lost probably the key to the puzzle in Charlie Hughes. I would wager good money they trained with Hughes all international break and he has his appendix flare up last minute. I only say this because we had no CB's on the bench last friday. Had it happened earlier Fin Burns probably gets dropped to bench for cover and they bring in someone in DM.

You can point at the stats and say they should be used to it but due to poor management from above we dont know our best XI yet. I hope Walter is closer to finding it but as others have mentioned its the little nuances around team chemistry. It's why we started well last year. The squad core was there and added to. It had an ok spine with Jones/Greaves at CB. Seri in the middle and it added Delap early. There was enough there. We've had no spine to start the season. Our CB's are familiar yes but the midfield is new and we brought back a striker only to let him go out again.

FWIW I think any manager would struggle with our window. Rosenior included. I think Tim could make it easier for himself by slowly introducing his style and allowing basics to take over for now but this is the cards he's dealt with.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

I give up, I honestly do.
Yes, I follow Baz, I listen to the podcast, I listen to the interviews, I read what he writes!!
The words I posted are literally verbatim the things he said post match.
If you can't understand what he's actually saying then sorry but there's no hope for you and no point debating.

Cool see you. If you listen to baz and are still carrying on like this then I can't help you.

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

You know that that wasn't the only post match interview he did right? Or are you calling Baz a liar? Did you listen to all the questions baz asked or are you presuming his answers to those questions was the same?

He's right Syd. Baz was specifically talking about the need to tighten up from corners and be less open, no one's suggesting he said that there were no improvements to make across the board.

It's splitting hairs though, because we plainly do need to tighten up and stop overcomplicating things.

Nor was it a performance to be 'happy' about. Saying that after being spontaneously booed off after each half is a huge red flag.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

Re-read my post, that's exactly what I said. Baz put a question to him about needing to tighten up from corners and he said there was no need. As a separate point I said that Walter said he was happy with the performance outside the two mistakes which is also what he said. If he later said there were things to improve I would respond with "No **** Sherlock".

 

[Mckechnie Orange]

Re-read my post, that's exactly what I said. Baz put a question to him about needing to tighten up from corners and he said there was no need. As a separate point I said that Walter said he was happy with the performance outside the two mistakes which is also what he said. If he later said there were things to improve I would respond with "No **** Sherlock".

Well if that's what you said, and it's what gfaw is saying, what are you arguing about?

 

[Tony Angelino]

Well if that's what you said, and it's what gfaw is saying, what are you arguing about?

There’s nothing else to do

 

[Gone For A Walk]

There's no straw being clutched at here. It's just common sense.

Alzate isn't fit enough yet
Hughes is injured
Rushworth is injured
Palmer came in on the last day and had two promising sub appearances
Puerta I honestly don't know so that point could maybe apply there
For all we know Burns has a playing clause or perhaps he trained well and thought he'd give him a try at DM.

He's still discovering which players are his best options as we go through game by game. Say what you want about that but bear in mind he'll have signed off on them, but hasn't chosen them. The one he actually knows well in Mehlem has featured prominently and played well enough. He's also been here longer than most of the others.

You may end up being right, but right now I don't see how it's anything other than impossible to pass that judgement with such conviction.

.... add that Millar and Palmer were both away all the break, coming back only the day before!

 

[SydneyTiger14]

Well if that's what you said, and it's what gfaw is saying, what are you arguing about?

GFAW is saying I made it up? What do you think is happening here?