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Ridiculous - (( and I'm not talking about Scally's season ticket price 'offer.'))
Watching the Villa v Liverpool game.... Villa had two players miles offside in the build up to their goal... One of them actually had a shot on goal from his position - the ball then broke loose - was recycled and Villa ended up scoring - the goal stood !!!!!
It was one of the most ridiculous non-offside decisions I have ever seen --- VAR - what is the point ?

edit - please don't say that the goal came from a different phase of play - where the players were NOT offside...my point is that Villa gained an advantage by their two offside players - moments before they scored - and the 'advantage' would not have existed if the idiot with the flag had done his job -- it wasn't even 'close' --- Stevie Wonder could have seen the offside Villa players.
 
alwaysright said:
Ridiculous - (( and I'm not talking about Scally's season ticket price 'offer.'))
Watching the Villa v Liverpool game.... Villa had two players miles offside in the build up to their goal... One of them actually had a shot on goal from his position - the ball then broke loose - was recycled and Villa ended up scoring - the goal stood !!!!!
It was one of the most ridiculous non-offside decisions I have ever seen --- VAR - what is the point ?

edit - please don't say that the goal came from a different phase of play - where the players were NOT offside...my point is that Villa gained an advantage by their two offside players - moments before they scored - and the 'advantage' would not have existed if the idiot with the flag had done his job -- it wasn't even 'close' --- Stevie Wonder could have seen the offside Villa players.
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Rules are rules. Linesman has to wait to flag until end of phase of play
 
gioblues said:
Rules are rules. Linesman has to wait to flag until end of phase of play
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gioblues - I will 'humour' you !... I will (begrudgingly) accept the rules - as you put it -- BUT -- that was not my 'point.'....

The end of phase ( as you call it ), came when - (I think it was Watkins), had a shot on goal -which was parried, and broke loose - to begin the next phase of play - which then led to the goal...

At the beginning of the first phase of play, two Villa players were clearly offside (( like I said - it wasn't even a close call.)) This phase of play finished when the shot on goal was completed. At this point, Villa still had an unfair 'advantage' ( by retaining possession of the ball achieved by two players being in an offside position ).... This 'unfair advantage', should not have been permitted - and would not have existed if the referee / linesman had done their job....... even by the ridiculous timeframe of the current rules.

The situation is clearly about the rules being bonkers - to allow a second phase of play - just because Villa's 'illegal' shot, during the first phase didn't end up in an 'illegal' goal..... You might argue: 'How far back in play should the officials go ,to assess if there was an 'infringement' by the 'scoring' team ?? ...My answer is - as far back as necessary - to establish any unfair / illegal advantage - from which illegal possession of the ball was established. --- and in the matter in question - it would have been literally moments before Villa scored.
 
VAR at Spurs match. How is that given as a penalty. Spurs played on advantage played. Kane had great chance to score but missed, so they go back for possible hand ball. What a joke.
 
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VAR is a good thing ... In principle..... It should prevent miscarriage of justice regarding decisions and incidents that may be missed in 'real time.'...(( in principle ))

However, VAR appears to have become a 'monster' - because the FA have decided to re-write the laws of physics and biology -- along with the reclassification of what constitutes Handball and Offside..... In this respect, VAR has over - complicated a simple game - and creating much confusion, frustration and anger among fans.......

.... It would be interesting to find out what particularly annoys our members - with regards to VAR, and/or modern interpretation of rules..... I'll give you a couple of my gripes (( although the list is rather long. ))

I particularly hate the modern interpretation of 'Offside.' - especially when we see lines drawn on our screen - showing that a players armpit or genitalia is in an offside position (( doesn't help if a players has consumed Viagra - in preparation for post-football 'celebrations!' ))........ It's actually the offside rule that really winds me up... There is so much that is wrong - that I would prefer that a line 30 yards from goal is drawn - and if you are inside the line, you are offside ( regardless if you are / not interfering with play ).....or scrap offside forever!

.... and my frustration is not abated by the stupid protocol that a linesman isn't supposed to raise his (her) flag until -- (( actually I'm not sure when )) If the ball is received by a player in an offside position - stick the flag up immediately !! Why wait ?.... I can understand that if the defending team quickly wins possession of the ball - that play shouldn't be stopped for the offside infringement - THAT is the only reason to allow play to continue.......

... I could go on - and usually do (( my brother reckons I can conduct an argument in an empty room )) -- What rules / interpretations would you like to see changed ?
 
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of all the rule changes, something I would like to see is a referee assessement after every game, after all players are assessed every minute of a game and refs decisions affect the outcome of games, and that has consequences within the league structure and finanicially. I would like to see a yellow and red card system introduced for referee's that goes towards some scoring compentency. Once you get red, you are banned from either officiating in the same way players are banned, or the ref is moved to a lower category game. Also a league table of referees is built from this competency structure for public viewing.
 
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I wonder if scraping offside has ever been experimented with and how much it would change the game?
 
brb - I understand your thoughts about assessment of referees - but - why punish 'lower category' fixtures with rubbish officials ?....oh- hang on, THAT's what already happens.
I actually think that the EPL officials are not too bad - dare I suggest - fairly good !! -- but -- they are being strangled by the FA and the VAR 'system' - which has to be implemented... Like I said, VAR is good in principle - but needs to have common-sense added.
 
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So now we are going to have VAR in the play-off finals, despite the players playing never having experienced it, the EFL have lost the plot.
 
LiVARplose !
....ok - I accept that Liverpool were unlucky - to come up against Courtois playing a 'blinder' last night - but - what I can't accept is the ridiculous decision by the VAR official to rule out the first Madrid 'goal' because of offside.

Fabinho made an intentional attempt to 'engage' with the ball.. It is irrelevant that he probably didn't intend to connect with his left knee - which caused the ball to travel in a direction Fabinho never meant -- so -- as unfortunate as it was, Benzema was not offside when the ball reached him (( although he probably was in an offside position in ALL other circumstances.)) -- and I have argued that Benzema thus gained an unfair advantage by being in the wrong place at the right time (( or is that too complicated for VAR ? ))

What VAR didn't show television viewers was a 'check' for offside for the goal that was allowed ! At first glance, the Madrid player appeared to be very close to being a 'hair's breadth' offside - and I am surprised that we were not treated to some lines being drawn on the screen.......

......Liverpool have been accused of receiving favourable (dubious) decisions from VAR - So - it might be ironic that they have lost a game because ( cock-eyed ) VAR didn't intervene for once -- or should I say twice ?

Here's an idea for next season - scrap 'Offside', scrap 'Handball', scrap VAR - scrap football --- let's just all go on the pitch and have a fireworks party!
 
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alwaysright said:
LiVARplose !
....ok - I accept that Liverpool were unlucky - to come up against Courois playing a 'blinder' last night - but - what I can't accept is the ridiculous decision by the VAR official to rule out the first Madrid 'goal' because of offside.

Fabinho made an intentional attempt to 'engage' with the ball.. It is irrelevant that he probably didn't intend to connect with his left knee - which caused the ball to travel in a direction Fabinho never meant -- so -- as unfortunate as it was, Benzema was not offside when the ball reached him (( although he probably was in an offside position in ALL other circumstances.)) -- and I have argued that Benzema thus gained an unfair advantage by being in the wrong place at the right time (( or is that too complicated for VAR ? ))

What VAR didn't show television viewers was a 'check' for offside for the goal that was allowed ! At first glance, the Madrid player appeared to be very close to being a 'hair's breadth' offside - and I am surprised that we were not treated to some lines being drawn on the screen.......

......Liverpool have been accused of receiving favourable (dubious) decisions from VAR - So - it might be ironic that they have lost a game because ( cock-eyed ) VAR didn't intervene for once -- or should I say twice ?

Here's an idea for next season - scrap 'Offside', scrap 'Handball', scrap VAR - scrap football --- let's just all go on the pitch and have a fireworks party!
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Fire works are dangerous mate. :bandit:
 
VAR at it again or should I say not. Huddlesfield should of had 2 pens. Neither given. Is there any point. The most valuable game in football. Cost Huddlesfield UpTo 100 million pounds.
 
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gioblues said:
VAR at it again or should I say not. Huddlesfield should of had 2 pens. Neither given. Is there any point. The most valuable game in football. Cost Huddlesfield UpTo 100 million pounds.
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I'm not convinced that there was contact on Toffolo - I would have been disappointed if Gills had conceded a penalty in those circumstances.
It would appear that VAR was also uncertain ---

... maybe VAR actually got it right - inasmuch that the issue was not beyond doubt ( and qualified for no clear and obvious error on the part of the referee ! )-- What the Hell am I doing - actually 'praising ' VAR !!
 
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Yup, I thought he was offside, not only that, I didn't think it was a penalty either....although it's two years since my last eye test. :bandit:
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That's more frequent than the officials - or VAR...Nothing wrong with your eyesight...plenty of other people saw that Kane was offside.
 
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