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No he isn’t, he’s familiar with Mein Kampf though.

Can we not pretend Trump is somehow a competent leader? Please? Putting aside all the QAnon make believe ****e for a second, can we just have a bit of American politics grounded in reality and not just “if I say it, it’s true”?


Both candidates have flaws. The problem is, one has lost their ****ing marbles as they’ve got older and has promised things which will hurt Americans both economically and physically.

The two are not the same. The fact that Kamala can’t focus on a topic isn’t the same as Trump’s mind numbing bullshit about windmills and Hannibal Lecter and we know it. But for some reason they have to make them appear similar in seriousness.

The sane washing of Trump across the media is a disgrace. And it’s not just him, Steve Bannon, Steven Miller, Tulsi Gabbard, Laura Loomer, Matt Gaetz, they’re all scrabbling at his feet trying to be the favourite so they come out with **** that’s just as horrendous. Apparently “the enemy within” is fine, but calling them garbage is outrageous. “Poisoning the blood of the country” is fine, pointing out that he’s quoting Hitler apparently hurts their feelings.

Enough. **** pretending he’s a viable candidate or that he has any good ideas whatsoever. He doesn’t and in a sensible world he’d have been yanked out of the race by his party after his bullshit in 2020 and the fact he isn’t sat in a prison cell on Riker’s Island shows just how **** this timeline has become.

Let him be beaten, and let that be the end of MAGA. And if his whingebag pussy supporters turn up at the capitol and try to riot or stop the election, break out the ****ing tear gas and bean bag shotguns and go postal on them. I’m done with it and most of the world probably is too by the sounds of it. We’re so close to never having to put up with him again. Come on America, you’ve got this. Shin the ****er for good.

The Democrat supporting news channels edited one of Harris’s inane ramblings to make her appear less stupid than she is. Like the way it is Trump but with Harris it is Kamala. No signs of bias there.
 
His family had a six figure income, he grew up in the suburbs of Cincinnati, and he had private golf lessons. I’m not sure that’s classed as piss-poor.

He also thinks poor people are welfare queens and should never be given any kind of help but he was given a grant to attend Yale.

Now he complains about how elites look down on him when he’s a millionaire backed by billionaires like Peter Thiel. He is a member of the elite.

He uses poverty like cosplay, pretending to be underprivileged to make people think he’s normal. It’s all marketing.

A bit like Labour MPs pretending they are from humble backgrounds and deleting the fact they went to fee paying schools.
 
Stalin read Mein Kampf. A lot of people who detested the Nazis and had no intention of being like Hitler did. Unfortunately none of them thought a politician would take the unusual step of carrying out what they said they would do, step by step.

I imagine all the big authoritarians have taken a leaf out of Hitler’s book at some point.

The worry is, that a lot of Trump’s people have actively said he wants “generals like Hitler had” and keeps referring to Nazi stuff behind the scenes. If it was just one, yeah you’d probably go “disgruntled employee lying”. But it’s a lot of people who spent years working closely with him.

I don’t think he’ll go full on Hitler, I’d hope America can at least resist that, but the instigation of the Alien Enemies Act was what led to Japanese Americans being interred in detention camps like Manzanar. That’s what he has said.

We had it with “build the wall”. Everybody said he wouldn’t do it, then he tried to do it. People seem to think he speaks in hyperbole or engages in semantics, but his track record suggests he is very literal.
 
The Democrat supporting news channels edited one of Harris’s inane ramblings to make her appear less stupid than she is. Like the way it is Trump but with Harris it is Kamala. No signs of bias there.
You mean, they played her best bits? Mad that.
 
The craziest part of Trump’s first term was when he said ‘it’s fascist time!’ and made the United States into a one-party totalitarian state. Hope he doesn’t do it again if he gets elected.
 
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The Democrat supporting news channels edited one of Harris’s inane ramblings to make her appear less stupid than she is. Like the way it is Trump but with Harris it is Kamala. No signs of bias there.

But that’s exactly my point, why are you comparing the two as if both hold the same amount of merit? It’s like comparing stepping on somebody’s toes to deliberately chopping off their leg.

Yes, it’s wrong to edit footage for favourability, but how is that the same as Fox spreading election lies on Trump’s behalf? Or him going to Murdoch and telling him not to run Kamala ads on Fox that attack him?

People keep trying to balance the scales like they’re both objectively as bad as each other and it’s so maddening because they clearly aren’t, Trump is far worse.
 
His family had a six figure income, he grew up in the suburbs of Cincinnati, and he had private golf lessons. I’m not sure that’s classed as piss-poor.

He also thinks poor people are welfare queens and should never be given any kind of help but he was given a grant to attend Yale.

Now he complains about how elites look down on him when he’s a millionaire backed by billionaires like Peter Thiel. He is a member of the elite.

He uses poverty like cosplay, pretending to be underprivileged to make people think he’s normal. It’s all marketing.

I saw an article about his claims of growing up in poverty, apparently it's quite common for politicians to overstate where they've come from, it's been nicknamed 'poornography'.
 
What? No trade unions? No right to strike? The state deciding where and when you can work and what you got paid? Living in crap apartments with shared facilities? Not allowed to travel with walls, barbed wire, minefields and machine gun towers to stop those who don’t like the system leaving?Shooting people trying to leave?

I was thinking more of the planned economy, building enough social housing so ex forces didn't have to sleep on the streets. Build enough infrastructure like schools hospitals and yes prisons to suit the population and their needs. An planned education system that ensures we end up with enough plumbers electricians and engineers rather than thousands of media study graduates laden with debt that they will never pay back working in macdonalds and no apprentices to do things.

But we're going of track and this is the USA election thread
 
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The craziest part of Trump’s first term was when he said ‘it’s fascist time!’ and made the United States into a one-party totalitarian state. Hope he doesn’t do it again if he gets elected.

Him not winning the next election seems to cast some doubt on that claim.
 
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The craziest part of Trump’s first term was when he said ‘it’s fascist time!’ and made the United States into a one-party totalitarian state. Hope he doesn’t do it again if he gets elected.
I think that was around the same time that he said that his protégé's name was JD Vance, and he couldn't wait to make him President.
 
I was thinking more of the planned economy, building enough social housing so ex forces didn't have to sleep on the streets. Build enough infrastructure like schools hospitals and yes prisons to suit the population and their needs. An planned education system that ensures we end up with enough plumbers electricians and engineers rather than thousands of media study graduates laden with debt that they will never pay back working in macdonalds and no apprentices to do things.

But we're going of track and this is the USA election thread

Ever go to any of the former communist states? It was nothing like that except for the plenty of prisons.
 
Trump’s no different than Berlusconi. Even if he does get re-elected, it will not be the ‘death of democracy’ like some drama queens said it would be in 2016 and again in 2024.
 
Trump’s no different than Berlusconi. Even if he does get re-elected, it will not be the ‘death of democracy’ like some drama queens said it would be in 2016 and again in 2024.

Wonder if all those celebs will be threatening to leave if Trump wins like they did last time? Threatening being the operative word as none of them did.
 
Lived in them since 1995. OK it was after the fall of the iron curtain but talked to plenty of people who were there at the time.

In 1995 they were nothing like they were prior to the fall of communism. Notice none of them have voted to return to communism.
 
Trump’s no different than Berlusconi. Even if he does get re-elected, it will not be the ‘death of democracy’ like some drama queens said it would be in 2016 and again in 2024.
Even though he's publicly stated that if he gets voted in this time, then no-one will need to vote again?
 
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But that’s exactly my point, why are you comparing the two as if both hold the same amount of merit? It’s like comparing stepping on somebody’s toes to deliberately chopping off their leg.

Yes, it’s wrong to edit footage for favourability, but how is that the same as Fox spreading election lies on Trump’s behalf? Or him going to Murdoch and telling him not to run Kamala ads on Fox that attack him?

People keep trying to balance the scales like they’re both objectively as bad as each other and it’s so maddening because they clearly aren’t, Trump is far worse.

You won’t know if Harris, I don’t know her well enough to constantly refer to her in first name terms, until, or if, she gets elected.
 
In 1995 they were nothing like they were prior to the fall of communism. Notice none of them have voted to return to communism.

How much time have you spent living in former communist countries before or after the fall of the iron curtain?
EDIT, for an answer to the second point many of those countries went back to or even remained being run by a version of the former ruling party. They may have a different name but many are nationalist type parties.
 
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