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[Big Ern]

I think it'll be manslaughter, rather than murder, as it'll be very hard to prove intent. That said, with the current social divide in the US don't be surprised if some of the jury decide to let him off.

 

[brb]

I think it'll be manslaughter, rather than murder, as it'll be very hard to prove intent. That said, with the current social divide in the US don't be surprised if some of the jury decide to let him off.

I'm hoping that because they have evidence of him refusing to put him into the recovery position, that they regard it as murder. I've not seen a single witness or medical profession yet, suggest anything in Chauvin's favour, but they will probably start that process today.

 

[brb]

Meant to say, there is a good bit of evidence in favour of one of the two other cops on the ground, when it comes to his trial. It showed him suggesting George need to be rolled on to his side...

Stoughton, the use-of-force expert, said the officers who subdued Floyd should have known he was not trying to attack them when he struggled and frantically said he was claustrophobic as they tried to put him in a squad car.

“I don’t see him presenting a threat of anything,” Stoughton said, adding that no reasonable officer would conclude otherwise.

Stoughton also pointed to instances when Chauvin should have been aware of Floyd’s growing distress: After one officer suggested rolling Floyd onto his side, Chauvin said no. The 19-year police veteran ignored bystanders who were shouting that Floyd was not responsive. And when another officer said Floyd didn’t have a pulse, Stoughton said, Chauvin’s response was “Huh.”

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Chauvin is the leading officer of the other three, so they basically were over ruled by him saying no.

Ok, interesting bit by the defence today, referring to the above that I had noted earlier. The defence recalled a previous prosecution witness, a female cop who knows about the officer training in regards to arrests of people suffering from delirium.

One of the cops that was holding George's legs had asked Chauvin if they should roll GF on to his side, Chauvin the leading officer replied 'no.' What's come to light is that Chauvin never received delirium training, as it is only trained out to cadets - if you remember the two cops on Floyd were new to the team.

So the defence is arguing, the cadet knew more than the leading officer, because he had been trained to notice the circumstances. IMHO it don't wash, commonsense from a leading officer, would have suggested George was in serious trouble with his breathing.

The arguing case of the defence will be, that if George was suffering from delirium, he would be stronger, more physical, so the defence will probably argue, that Chauvins concern would of been losing control of the arrest. While the cadet would have better known the procedure in these situations.

Still no an excuse in my view, ignorance of the law or in this case training, excuses no one. However, I do think this will be a good defence for one of the officers sitting on George when it comes to their trial.

 

[Diego]

Yeah, proving racism is going to be impossible and there has been no evidence to support anything of that nature.

Absolutely he was on a power trip, especially with two new cops in the team and all the psychopathic traits that followed. The problem we've got is I believe they need to prove he intended to kill George or knew he was killing him, otherwise he's only going to get the minimum sentence.

I see another young guy has been shot again by the cops, supposedly by mistake, they need to stop using weapons tazers/guns as the go to tool everytime. It seems it's always stop the person at all cost, regardless of the offence.

As I've said on here in the past if it's a misdemeanor, go and pick them up later. As was said in the GF trial, a fake $20 bill isn't even worth the cops time (not exact words).

My thoughts, all they had to do was ban GF from the shop until he paid the bill properly, afterall despite the witness statement the shop claimed they knew him as a regular customer. Therefore inconveniencing a local person until they pay their outstanding bill in full.

Edit. meant to say, there is a good bit of evidence in favour of one of the two other cops on the ground, when it comes to his trial. It showed him suggesting George need to be rolled on to his side...

Stoughton, the use-of-force expert, said the officers who subdued Floyd should have known he was not trying to attack them when he struggled and frantically said he was claustrophobic as they tried to put him in a squad car.

“I don’t see him presenting a threat of anything,” Stoughton said, adding that no reasonable officer would conclude otherwise.

Stoughton also pointed to instances when Chauvin should have been aware of Floyd’s growing distress: After one officer suggested rolling Floyd onto his side, Chauvin said no. The 19-year police veteran ignored bystanders who were shouting that Floyd was not responsive. And when another officer said Floyd didn’t have a pulse, Stoughton said, Chauvin’s response was “Huh.”

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Chauvin is the leading officer of the other three, so they basically were over ruled by him saying no.

Not followed the trial other than what's been posted on here but this keeps picking at me.
Has anyone explained why he felt claustrophobic when asked to get in a cop car but seemed ok in the car he was in previous to his arrest?

 

[brb]

Not followed the trial other than what's been posted on here but this keeps picking at me.
Has anyone explained why he felt claustrophobic when asked to get in a cop car but seemed ok in the car he was in previous to his arrest?

The girl in the car with George and Morris gave evidence today, she said George was a sleep in the car, she had to wake him up. I think she said she tried to wake him up twice. He only turned and looked at the cop, when she told him he was knocking on the glass. He had taken a substance (pill).

This witness was called by the defence, but actually benefited the prosecution.

If you've seen the video evidence from the shop, you would have noticed George was bouncing, and the cashier had given evidence he was high.

Even the defence has tried to claim he was suffering delirium. Maybe this could answer why he wouldn't get in the police car, state of confusion, along with a great distrust of the police.

 

[brb]

Defence witness - use of force expert, claims the cops were totally justified in their restraints, done what they are trained to do. Also felt the onlookers were a threat. I can't wait until the prosecution gets hold of this dickhead.

Felt officer Chauvin followed training, current practices and were jusitifiably reasonable. ffs

 

[brb]

Reaction from a trial attorney for the TV channel....My goodness! Where did they get this guy from!

 

[Treble]

Reaction from a trial attorney for the TV channel....My goodness! Where did they get this guy from!

I haven't seen it but it did make me think. This is the problem for the defence. Where are they going to get credible experts to refute the evidence?

This isn't a bog standard case. It's not even an O.J. Simpson level of case. It's on another level entirely - sunk in nationwide civil unrest, riots and protests. Who the hell in their right mind is going to put themselves forward into that maelstrom of ****e.

 

[brb]

I haven't seen it but it did make me think. This is the problem for the defence. Where are they going to get credible experts to refute the evidence?

This isn't a bog standard case. It's not even an O.J. Simpson level of case. It's on another level entirely - sunk in nationwide civil unrest, riots and protests. Who the hell in their right mind is going to put themselves forward into that maelstrom of ****e.

Prosecution slowly picking this witness to bits. He's the first 'credible' witness to support Chauvin. No wonder they've got a problem with American cops if this is the sort of person training them. The whole thing is clearly a training issue - I know the risks out there are way greater than the UK, but jeez no wonder there is so many people getting shot. It appears any attempt to resist arrest, can see any level of force used until the person complies. It seems to me that once you pull on a uniform it's a licence to kill.

 

[Treble]

Prosecution slowly picking this witness to bits. He's the first 'credible' witness to support Chauvin. No wonder they've got a problem with American cops if this is the sort of person training them. The whole thing is clearly a training issue - I know the risks out there are way greater than the UK, but jeez no wonder there is so many people getting shot. It appears any attempt to resist arrest, can see any level of force used until the person complies. It seems to me that once you pull on a uniform it's a licence to kill.

Yeh and I bet the choices the coppers make in the level of force used is affected by social class and race. I doubt they're shooting many rich folk in Beverley Hills tbh

 

[brb]

Yeh and I bet the choices the coppers make in the level of force used is affected by social class and race. I doubt they're shooting many rich folk in Beverley Hills tbh

Obviously I wouldn't dare suggest that the only thing this witness is missing is his kkk hoodie, no sireee.

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[Star of David Bardsley]

Obviously I wouldn't dare suggest that the only thing this witness is missing is his kkk hoodie, no sireee.

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A bargain bucket perhaps.

 

[brb]

A bargain bucket perhaps.

Good point

 

[brb]

Witness.....I agree, he's not resisting in that picture.

Prosecution....that's because he's not breathing!

 

[Tobes]

Yep there’s defo no systemic racism in the US Police service, no siree.

 

[Treble]

Witness.....I agree, he's not resisting in that picture.

Prosecution....that's because he's not breathing!

As a witness you aint getting back any little credibility you had before, after that

 

[brb]

As a witness you aint getting back any little credibility you had before, after that

This witness has just turned it into a circus, I can't even waste time now listening to anything he has to say. It's obvious he belongs to the dinosaur era and is long past his sell by date.

 

[Tobes]

I think it'll be manslaughter, rather than murder, as it'll be very hard to prove intent. That said, with the current social divide in the US don't be surprised if some of the jury decide to let him off.

They don’t have to prove intent.

 

[Commachio]

brb loving this case.

no idea how it's gonna go.

 

[brb]

brb loving this case.

no idea how it's gonna go.

Even having watched it, I've absolutely no idea how it will go.

You will never see so many witnesses and medical experts as this trial, all in favour of the prosecution.

Only one person has been completely on the side of the defence.