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Off Topic UK has done well-by not given free access to gun??

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by LuisDiazgamechanger, Jun 20, 2015.

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Citizens should have access to gun in UK legally?

Poll closed Jun 20, 2016.
  1. No

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  2. Yes

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  1. Lucaaas

    Lucaaas Well-Known Member

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    Who's this ali akbar <laugh> ?
     
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    If you have time this is worth watching.....Bowling for Columbine by Mike Moore.....ffs open new bank account and get a FREE RIFLE!!!!!!......
     
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    For balance on the gun issue, a criminal can get guns and carry out a massacre. Even in the UK or anywhere else so the legality of guns does not stop massacres.

    10 possible massacres stopped by armed citizens.
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesth...-that-were-stopped-by-someone-wit#.fkkOrxvnwy

    For me it's the heat of the moment incidents and the police killing people cos guns are so common that the polce became so chickenshit they just shoot you for carrying a game controller.
    Those issues, and also teaching 8 year old girls to shoot mac10s <doh>
     
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    <laugh>

    He must be the god who is great.<whistle>
     
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  5. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    Two children recently shot and killed themselves accidently in US. One was as recent as last week.
     
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  6. Bodinki

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    Are they just glossing over the fact that these shootings happened in the first place because the shooter was able to get hold of a gun? lol <doh>

    "Yeah our gun laws made it so there were armed civilians who could stop him"
    Yeah **** rag, your gun law also made it possible for the killer to have the gun in the first place
     
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    Didn't read the article really just about the fact that massacres have been prevented.

    I still do think there is nothing wrong with responsible sensible gun owners. Talking a pistol here not assault rifles and all the other ****. It's everyone ****in else that is the problem <laugh>
     
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  8. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    Overview UNITED KINGDOM
    You need a firearms certificate issued by the police to possess, buy or acquire a firearm or shotgun. You must also have a certificate to buy ammunition.
    How to apply
    You can get a firearm or shotgun certificate application form from the firearms licensing unit of your local police force.
    You must:
    • complete an application form
    • provide 4 passport photographs
    • have 2 referees for a firearm certificate and 1 referee for shotgun certificate
    • pay the fee for the certificate you are applying for
    You can get the fees from your local police force. The fee amounts can be found from the firearms licensing unit of the police force where you live.
    You must also prove to the chief officer of police that you’re allowed to have a firearms certificate and pose no danger to public safety or to the peace.
    A shotgun certificate won’t be given or renewed if the chief officer of police has a reason that you shouldn’t be allowed to have a shotgun under the Firearms Act. Or if they don’t think you have a good reason to have, buy or acquire a shotgun.
    A certificate usually lasts 5 years from the date it was issued or renewed.
    Conditions
    Your certificate will include a photograph of you and information about the firearm(s) or shotgun(s) you have in your possession.
    You must:
    • follow any condition attached to the certificate (the chief officer of police can vary these conditions at any time by giving notice in writing)
    • be able to show your firearm or shotgun certificate if asked by the police
    You must have a European Firearms Pass if you want to travel within Europe with your guns. You can apply for this at the same time as your firearms certificate.
    European firearms passes are normally valid for 5 years or the length of your firearm certificate - whichever is shorter.
    You can renew a European firearms pass by applying to the chief officer of police in your local police force.
    Certain firearms are completely prohibited. You won’t be able to get a licence for them and it is an offence to possess, buy or acquire them without the authority of the Home Secretary.

    Gun laws in the United States by state

    Gun laws in the United States regulate the sale, possession, and use of firearms and ammunition. State laws vary, and are independent of existing federal firearms laws, although they are sometimes broader or more limited in scope than the federal laws. For instance, some U.S. states have created assault weapon bans that are similar to the expired federal assault weapons ban.
    State level laws vary significantly in their form, content, and level of restriction. Forty-four states have a provision in their state constitutions similar to the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which protects the right to keep and bear arms. The exceptions are California, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey, and New York. In New York, however, the statutory civil rights laws contain a provision virtually identical to the Second Amendment.[1][2] Additionally, the U.S. Supreme Court held in McDonald v. Chicago that the protections of the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms for self-defense in one's home apply against state governments and their political subdivisions.[3]
    Firearm owners are subject to the firearm laws of the state they are in, and not exclusively their state of residence. Reciprocity between states exists in certain situations, such as with regard to concealed carry permits. These are recognized on a state-by-state basis. For example, Idaho recognizes an Oregon permit, but Oregon does not recognize an Idaho permit. Florida issues a license to carry both concealed weapons and firearms, but others license only the concealed carry of firearms. Some states do not recognize out-of-state permits to carry a firearm at all, so it is important to understand the laws of each state when traveling with a handgun.[4]
    In many cases, state firearms laws can be considerably less restrictive than federal firearms laws. This does not confer any de jure immunity against prosecution for violations of the federal laws. However, state and local police departments are not legally obligated to enforce federal gun law as per the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Printz v. United States.[5][6]
     
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  9. afcftw

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    Lol what a sensationalist piece of ****. The title claims cannabis sent her into temporary insanity yet all the quotes in the article are about her amphetamine use and an amphetamine induced psychosis. It's this kind of ******ed journalism and scaremongering that has allowed the stupid war n drugs to continue.
     
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    It is impossible for cannabis to turn a healthy mind into an insane state. The drug just does not work like that.<ok> Maybe if you ate an ounce of bud it would be hairy, but normal use, nah, bollocks

    Look at what amphetamine did to Hitler after all! He was being injected with it for several years, he was a foaming at the mouth lunatic by the end
     
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  11. johnsonsbaby

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    Neuroimaging in adolescents has shown that regular marijuana users display impaired neural connectivity in specific brain regions involved in a broad range of executive functions like memory, learning, and impulse control compared to non-users. Not insanity as you say, but mind altering enough to impair rational thought and decision making. Paired with other drugs, there's no saying what someone could do.
     
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  12. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    'Drug abuse' whichever drug always have a negative effect. I have seen so many drug addicts trying to inject themsevelves because they are drug dependants. So many time I have been approached by these people telling me that they are hungry I should give them money. Knowing that giving them money they are going to use the money for drugs, I usually refuse.Sometime I do offer to pay for their meals at macdonald or nearby restaruant, some decline and some take the offer.
     
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  13. Bodinki

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    I find it odd that anyone would argue that a drug doesn't "impair rational thought and decision making" of course it does, its a ****ing drug, thats the whole point of them, thats what makes them fun.

    And of course, if you then abuse this drug it will have long term effects. Simple. Not rocket science.
     
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    If your an adolescent and taking ANY substance regularly you will be hindering the brains development. Once again it's about personal responsibility rather than blaming a plant. There's loads of studies showing how much more youngsters are effected than adults when doing things which effect the brain. People should be educated properly.
     
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    I agree with your point, abuse of any substance (including alcohol, caffeine, sugar etc) will have negative effects on the mind or body. But you make it out like all drug users are heroin addicts on the streets whereas the vast majority of drug users aren't heroin users, don't inject and aren't homeless.
     
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  16. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    TUNISIA - Last week about 30 Britons lost their lives because of religion extremists. I have never been there
    but people always say the place is peaceful not until recently. If ordinary Tunisian do not want IS why do you try to impose it on them?
     
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    Look at the full picture here mate, what is next door, to the south east of Tunisia? Libya and who left Libya a militant religiously extremist rubble pile that exports militants and is a place to train and arm them? Your own government
     
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  18. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    Saudi Arabia will not openly encourage Christianity. The British Government (who establihed Church of England) and sent missioneries to third world countries are selling their churches to be converted to Mosque or Indu Temple because they believe in fairness. Do other religion believe in fairness?.
     
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    That's the point of the link donga posted. The woman had been using cannabis since she was 11, that alone could have altered her brain enough to make her do what she did - paired with other drugs that left her impulse control, reasoning and rationale severely dysfunctional.

    As for personal responsibility - at 11 years old ??? Anyone using any drug has no idea how it will alter them, mentally, physically or psychologically. A user may think it just 'chills them out' but how can you be sure your decision making isn't being compromised?
     
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    The woman was abusing amphetamine and all of the quotes relating to the trial ONLY talk about the amphetamine causing her psychosis. The cannabis link is thrown in by the reporter, not anyone with any knowledge of the case or her mental health.

    What evidence do you have to suggest cannabis alone could have caused this woman to slit her children's throats? Given that as far as I'm aware there is no example of anyone ever being driven to murder solely based on the use of cannabis.

    As for personal responsibility, I wasn't suggesting at 11 that we know enough to make educated decisions, but by the time she was an adult, living an adult life, with children, I expect her to take some personal responsibility for her life and decisions rather than pushing the blame onto a plant.

    As for drug users having no idea how the drugs effect them, I think your completely wrong, a large number of drug users I know take a huge interest in how the drugs effect there bodies and minds. There is a wealth of information available through the internet, and schools and parents should be better educating there children, but otherwise it again comes down to personal responsibility. There needs to be more research done for sure so that in general we have more information available, but the information that is available I would expect drug users to be far more clued up on than someone who doesn't partake.
     
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