Off Topic UK has done well-by not given free access to gun??

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Citizens should have access to gun in UK legally?

  • No

    Votes: 29 96.7%

  • Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 1 3.3%

  • Don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    30
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Tobes said:
There is a genuine irony in the fact that the American lead War on Terror post 9/11 achieved it's goal of regime change in the likes of Iraq and Libya, but failed to contemplate that the political vacuum that they left behind, would allow the very people that they were originally supposed to be targeting to flourish and assume positions of power and influence.
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Pretty true but.. it is questionable that it was unforseen beause Dick Cheney in 94 said what you just said, 1994, 9 years later he's beating war drums.
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So they knew ;)

With Libya, they literally left in power people the UK and US had tortured after being captured in Afghanistan. Those are the rebels that they helped take power after all!! The same sectarian nuts head chopping heart eating nuts are in Syria now fighting Assad, when they win, there will be a bloodbath as the former regime and affiliates and religious groups are slaughtered
 
So on pretexts, where are we?
No WMD in Iraq
No slaughter of protestors in Libya
No Chemical weapons attacks by Assad in Syria

Those are just recent, there have been many pretexts for war debunked at this stage, I'd say most are patently false claims.
Look at the Ukrainian gov uploading a video to youtube of a supposed Russian commander and Rebel commander talking about shooting down MH17, when people downloaded the video, they found the ISO, which has a time stamp of the creation date, had a time stamp of the day before the crash, now WTF! That's a fact it has been confirmed, many downloaded it before it was hastily removed but it was too late. That could have started war given how volatile **** is.

It leads to the question, why do the media not report it, the answer is obvious.
 
Red Hadron Collider said:
It's a ****ing unholy mess, that's for sure.
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But it is a very profitable one mate, and also, it scares people into just accepting they have to give up liberities and privacy.

It's now legal in a civilised world to spy on everything you do including turning your phone calls into text files and killing people withoutn trial, torturing people, remember the US and UK used Libya for rendition reasons, they tortured people there in times past, the UK was very friendly when BP were allowed into Libya, not so much when they weren't. Les so when Gaddafi went for the gold dinar, a gold backed currency (made of gold) that would be used in Africa, it would dominate the financial market, the french called him the greatest economic threat the world ever faced"

You have Anne Machon, former MI6 who is on the run, she spilled the beans and can't return to the UK or she goes straight to jail because she whistle blew on state terrorism that killed Libyan civilians with BP involvement, MI6 provided the contacts BP the money.
 
BringBackFootie. said:
So on pretexts, where are we?
No WMD in Iraq
No slaughter of protestors in Libya
No Chemical weapons attacks by Assad in Syria

Those are just recent, there have been many pretexts for war debunked at this stage, I'd say most are patently false claims.
Look at the Ukrainian gov uploading a video to youtube of a supposed Russian commander and Rebel commander talking about shooting down MH17, when people downloaded the video, they found the ISO, which has a time stamp of the creation date, had a time stamp of the day before the crash, now WTF! That's a fact it has been confirmed, many downloaded it before it was hastily removed but it was too late. That could have started war given how volatile **** is.

It leads to the question, why do the media not report it, the answer is obvious.
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Iraq was about oil and avenging Daddy's biggest regret.....

The other 2 were just getting rid of dictators who'd pissed them off.

The MH17 conspiracy theories are total wack. That was a complete **** up, nothing more.
 
Tobes said:
Iraq was about oil and avenging Daddy's biggest regret.....

The other 2 were just getting rid of dictators who'd pissed them off.

The MH17 consoiracy theories are total wack. That was a complete **** up, nothing more.
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I don't know about MH17, just saying the ISO from youtube is legit. it was copped straight away. Whomever uploaded it from the Ukrainian gov never realised the timestamp of the original ISO would be on youtube.

The Ukrainians to this day have not released the ATC tower communications or why that plane wasn't directed south like the 10 flights previously and tbh, why the **** was there not a no fly zone over that region. The Ukrainian army have many Buk AAs, that alone is a reason enough for a no fly zone.

I don't have any particular theory, it just stinks to high heaven you know.
 
Red Hadron Collider said:
That's the question. I haven't got a ****ing clue.
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Joking aside, segregation.

Fundamental Islam has no place in the West as it's juxtaposed to our entire way of life. It's archaic teachings are without check as there's no patriarch to steer the flock and reign in those who choose to interpret parts of Quran in a way that breeds hate, intolerance and ultimately terrorism.

The solution - keep us apart. They can do what they like with their own backwards beliefs on their own soil in their own societies, not a problem. Just keep it away from ours. You hate our society and everything it stands for, we think yours is wack, let's leave it there. Never the twain.......

Multi culturalism fails at the point fundamental Islam becomes inherent.
 
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Red Hadron Collider said:
That's the question. I haven't got a ****ing clue.
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Airstrikes wont work, sending troops in carries bags of risk and will cause political chaos. You cant just kill the leaders because nobody knows who half of them are, plus they would quickly be replaced.

Any extreme suggestions bring out cries of 'as bad as them'

Impossible situation.
 
UnitedinRed said:
How will the world deal with isis? Getting crazy now.
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Cut their support, gulf states and US allies, Turkey too.
Cut their weapons supply, but the US helped arm them in Syria because the "moderate" rebels were sharing weapons with jihadists, well to be honest, there are no moderates, and when they let them take Iraqi bases full of US gear, US operating procedure is to destroy equipment if it even looks like it will fall into enemy hands.

No weapons no money no war

If ISIL cannot get weapons and money, and can't sell oil, they cannot fight a war, remember these pricks were only 30.000 strong a year ago.

Here's the clincher, it has cost 10s of millions of $ to kill each ISIL member that has been killed so far. Who makes all of that cash <whistle>
 
BringBackFootie. said:
I don't know about MH17, just saying the ISO from youtube is legit. it was copped straight away. Whomever uploaded it from the Ukrainian gov never realised the timestamp of the original ISO would be on youtube.

The Ukrainians to this day have not released the ATC tower communications or why that plane wasn't directed south like the 10 flights previously and tbh, why the **** was there not a no fly zone over that region. The Ukrainian army have many Buk AAs, that alone is a reason enough for a no fly zone.

I don't have any particular theory, it just stinks to high heaven you know.
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There was a Singapore Airlines flight 15 miles away when MH17 was downed and there'd been hundreds of planes in the vicinity.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...s-scheduled-fly-Ukraine-day-MH17-tragedy.html

As I said mate, that theory is complete wack.
 
UnitedinRed said:
Segregation.

10s of millions outraged. Outrage everywhere.
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The irony is that shed loads of these so called fundamentalists live in the West and despite supposedly hating everything it stands for, secretly love the lifestyle that it affords. Convenience, transport, healthcare, welfare, housing et al.......imperialist scum, ali akbar......... ****ing ****ers.
 
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BringBackFootie. said:
As soon as I hard his voice I thought Gorillaz :D I think it's him?

Ahhh Reagan, an epic racist, really, epic racist, he turned blacks into a commodity for the prison and legal system money merrygoround.
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Thats pretty much what he is saying in the song, that Reagan found a loophole in US economics that pretty much allowed him to revive slavery.
But making sure the US black market was well stocked with class A drugs like Coccaine and declared a war on drugs so that the poverty stricken US citizens (of which a huge majority were black) could then be given prison sentences in double digits (10 years plus) and he could then put the imprisoned blacks to work because free labour is the cornerstone of US economics.
Interesting song I have to say.
 
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Tobes said:
The irony is that shed loads of these so called fundamentalists live in the West and despite supposedly hating everything it stands for, secretly love the lifestyle that it affords. Convenience, transport, healthcare, welfare, housing et al.......imperialist scum, ali akbar......... ****ing ****ers.
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Yeah thats what gets my goat to be honest.
Even if you have this ****ed up jihadist view, at least if you are in the middle East and are looking at Western Culture as evil, as ****ed up as that is, it is atleast principled.
But the ones who live in the UK and US, who claim welfare and live in government housing, and have iphones, **** some of them were caught organising their strikes on Twitter ffs.....TWITTER...I cannot think of a better poster child for modern Western culture than social media, yet they use them all and claim jihad this and Sharia law that and corruption of western culture and blah blah....****ing hypocrites!
 
Tobes said:
The irony is that shed loads of these so called fundamentalists live in the West and despite supposedly hating everything it stands for, secretly love the lifestyle that it affords. Convenience, transport, healthcare, welfare, housing et al.......imperialist scum, ali akbar......... ****ing ****ers.
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I think they hate the west because it keeps ****ting on their doorstep mate, not everything it stands for <laugh>

We can have healthcare and such without blowing other countries to bits after all.
 
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