Off Topic UK / EU Future

[oldfrenchhorn]

Hospitals have been ordered not to tell the public about any damage they expect to suffer from Brexit because it would hurt “commercial interests”.
Requests for information about the impact on the supply of goods and services, and on EU staff numbers, should be refused, the department of health and social care has said.

Teachers in primary schools in Kent have been told they may have to suspend classes and “adopt a carer role” in the event of disruption caused by a no-deal Brexit. Last year, the council warned it might have to deal with 10,000 lorries parked or queuing on its roads, with a knock-on impact on schools, hospitals, rubbish collections and morgues.

I am sure that all those who voted to leave were happy to allow the country to descend into this third world state.

 

[Scullion]

As somebody who respects the results of referendums I would obviously accept NI leaving the UK if the majority in NI voted for it. Much of the shenanigans over the backstop was the result of the ROI using political means to further their unification aims.

And don't forget the damage a hard border will do to the Irish Economy, another reason why the backstop was in the agreement.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

I have two friends from Watford who live just south of the border, and they are very frightened about the introduction of any border. They have lived there for forty years, so did live through the troubles and can compare what life was like before and after the Belfast agreement. None of us should worry about the economic problems in north and south, but about the safety of the population. To want to screw up their lives to get some strange ideology through cannot be right.

 

[superhorns]

I have two friends from Watford who live just south of the border, and they are very frightened about the introduction of any border. They have lived there for forty years, so did live through the troubles and can compare what life was like before and after the Belfast agreement. None of us should worry about the economic problems in north and south, but about the safety of the population. To want to screw up their lives to get some strange ideology through cannot be right.

Any safety issues with NI has nothing to do with Brexit. The blame lies solely with the murderous thugs that want a united Ireland at any cost. The border issue is being used by the EU trying to keep the UK under some control. They are terrified how effective the UK will become once free of their shackles.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

Any safety issues with NI has nothing to do with Brexit. The blame lies solely with the murderous thugs that want a united Ireland at any cost. The border issue is being used by the EU trying to keep the UK under some control. They are terrified how effective the UK will become once free of their shackles.

I am sorry SH, but that is total rubbish. Maybe if you knew and spoke to people who live and work along that border you might understand, but as I said with your strange ideology I wouldn't expect you to. Fine for you to speak from your leafy pad, but if you actually lived there you might know differently.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

Seems tonight that the Tory chief whip is close to resignation after that appalling speech given by the PM last night. The last one to be so minded was Tim Renton in the final days of Margaret Thatcher. Looks as if the government is in meltdown.

 

[superhorns]

I am sorry SH, but that is total rubbish. Maybe if you knew and spoke to people who live and work along that border you might understand, but as I said with your strange ideology I wouldn't expect you to. Fine for you to speak from your leafy pad, but if you actually lived there you might know differently.

Strange you are trying to blame Brexit instead of the thugs, there is so much thuggery going on in France now perhaps you are immune to it?

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

Strange you are trying to blame Brexit instead of the thugs, there is so much thuggery going on in France now perhaps you are immune to it?

I can well understand that you don't wish to continue with your outrageous statements and try to shift the subject. You are talking as though the only ones involved in the murder of innocent people came from the south. You are completely choosing to ignore that there were as many in the north who took to arms, supported by the ones that are propping up your failing government. I take it that you assume they also wanted a united Ireland. If you wish to show yourself up continue, but as I have no Irish blood as far as I know, I will not have the same axe to grind as those who do. I just have friends over there who tell me of their fears, something that you clearly have no understanding of.

 

[superhorns]

I can well understand that you don't wish to continue with your outrageous statements and try to shift the subject. You are talking as though the only ones involved in the murder of innocent people came from the south. You are completely choosing to ignore that there were as many in the north who took to arms, supported by the ones that are propping up your failing government. I take it that you assume they also wanted a united Ireland. If you wish to show yourself up continue, but as I have no Irish blood as far as I know, I will not have the same axe to grind as those who do. I just have friends over there who tell me of their fears, something that you clearly have no understanding of.

You should stick to reality, it is the real IRA who have continued the aims of a united Ireland by using violence since the ceasefire. They will undoubtedly use violence again to sucker people like yourself into finding other excuses for their criminal actions. The border is just being used for political postering by the Irish and the EU.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

You should stick to reality, it is the real IRA who have continued the aims of a united Ireland by using violence since the ceasefire. They will undoubtedly use violence again to sucker people like yourself into finding other excuses for their criminal actions. The border is just being used for political postering by the Irish and the EU.

You stick to your happy clappy belief of the truth SH. I know it doesn't suit your purpose to believe that there are still dissidents from the UDA, but I can assure you they are still there. Do not forget that the only party against the Belfast agreement was the DUP. They are a bunch of oddballs, I am trying to stay polite, who your government are paying to keep them in power. I have contempt for anyone who carries weapons, but I also have no respect for those who support them under the cloak of being politicians.

 

[Saf]

I disagree completely, they obviously know it is not easy until NI votes for it. The EU has done its best to help hive off NI from the rest of the UK without any success.

I would have no problem losing NI if that was their democratic decision.

If you are as out of touch as much as your fellow civil servants negotiating Brexit I can understand your comments.

Now listen here, buddy. There's no appetite with the IRA for a united Ireland

 

[andytoprankin]

I’m sure it’s been said here before, but how come the outcome of the single referendum must be ‘respected’ and yet May’s Deal can be presented to the House three times?

Given half a million (and rising) of the wrinklies who voted for a return to 1973 (yes, they voted for time travel ) are now dead, couldn’t we give the younger people in this country, whose future is what we are deciding after all, a chance at a second referendum? If it’s good enough for the government to hold a vote three times on the same document (with the same unchanged set of voters), surely it makes sense for a second referendum when the set of voters has changed so dramatically?

 

[andytoprankin]

You should stick to reality, it is the real IRA who have continued the aims of a united Ireland by using violence since the ceasefire. They will undoubtedly use violence again to sucker people like yourself into finding other excuses for their criminal actions. The border is just being used for political postering by the Irish and the EU.

Wow, sh, you really like exposing how far from reality you are.

 

[yorkshirehornet]

You should stick to reality, it is the real IRA who have continued the aims of a united Ireland by using violence since the ceasefire. They will undoubtedly use violence again to sucker people like yourself into finding other excuses for their criminal actions. The border is just being used for political postering by the Irish and the EU.

What utter tosh...

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[oldfrenchhorn]

She stood there and spoke at the leaders of other sovereign states for 90 minutes. At the end of it they knew exactly what they knew before she started. She was asked numerous times to explain Plan B, and showed everyone that she doesn't have one. Despite everything there is still a lot of goodwill towards the UK from this side of the channel, but comments suggest this does not stretch as far as the PM. Many of the leaders, staying diplomatic, have questioned if she can continue much longer, but know that it is way beyond them to influence what political decisions this minority government will take. They have given her one last helping hand to sort her own mess out, but will she grasp it is the question?

 

[colognehornet]

She stood there and spoke at the leaders of other sovereign states for 90 minutes. At the end of it they knew exactly what they knew before she started. She was asked numerous times to explain Plan B, and showed everyone that she doesn't have one. Despite everything there is still a lot of goodwill towards the UK from this side of the channel, but comments suggest this does not stretch as far as the PM. Many of the leaders, staying diplomatic, have questioned if she can continue much longer, but know that it is way beyond them to influence what political decisions this minority government will take. They have given her one last helping hand to sort her own mess out, but will she grasp it is the question?

There will always be zombie like tunnel visioned, stubborn, goats in this World Frenchie, but we have the misfortune to have one as a prime minister. Possibly because she was the only one prepared to jump in and clear up the mess Cameron left behind, and so the choice was rather limited. However, the problem is not just her, but rather the Tory MPs in parliament who are prepared to moan about her but are not ready to back up their moanings by actually crossing the chamber to the independents - they have the power to force the situation here, either by bringing down the government or by actually voting with their consciences for a change. If we wait for May to open up the debate on all Brexit possibilities in Parliament, in order to actually find out what majorities exist (independent of party whips), then we could wait forever.

 

[colognehornet]

What is so frustrating, and humiliating, about all this is that she is prepared to go cap in hand to Brussels asking for more time, yet not to show any recognition of the sovereignty of the British Parliament. Yet the whole exercise was supposed to be about regaining sovereignty. She is, in effect, going to Brussels blaming the British Parliament for her own predicament, just as she tried to do with the population at large.

 

[yorkshirehornet]

What is so frustrating, and humiliating, about all this is that she is prepared to go cap in hand to Brussels asking for more time, yet not to show any recognition of the sovereignty of the British Parliament. Yet the whole exercise was supposed to be about regaining sovereignty. She is, in effect, going to Brussels blaming the British Parliament for her own predicament, just as she tried to do with the population at large.

Clearly she is not a democrat.... rather an autocrat... like another lady pm some years back....

 

[yorkshirehornet]

Clearly she is not a democrat.... rather an autocrat... like another lady pm some years back....

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[oldfrenchhorn]

Guardian investigations editor, Nick Hopkins, has been passed a confidential Cabinet Office document that warns of a “critical three-month phase” after leaving the EU during which the whole planning operation could be overwhelmed.

The classified document sets out the command and control structures in Whitehall for coping with a no-deal departure and says government departments will have to firefight most problems for themselves – or risk a collapse of “Operation Yellowhammer”, the name for cross-government planning for a no-deal Brexit.

“The … structure will quickly fall if too many decisions are unnecessarily escalated to the top levels that could have reasonably been dealt with internally …” the document says. It also concedes there are “likely to be unforeseen issues and impacts” of a no-deal Brexit that Operation Yellowhammer has been unable to predict.

What the hell has the country talked itself into? It is beyond belief that some on the right of the Tory party are actually advocating leaving the EU without a deal.