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Watching my favourite football team recently I was linked up to an American broadcast, where during halftime I could see the adverts. One was for a beefburger that was being sold as 100% free of growth hormones and other chemical additives. This suggests that Americans are waking up to just what they are eating, but leaves the farmers who still use such things with a surplus. Every trade deal that the USA tries to do includes dumping their surplus food on another country, as laid bare by the comments this past week by the US Ambassador. Fox seems to think that such things don't matter, whereas Gove can see the problems of the EU not allowing such products in through the back door. I wonder if a trade deal with the US that Brexiteers find so appealing is worth the loss of a huge amount of our existing trade. A farmer in the UK works on the basis of selling a whole animal, but parts of it are not sold for home consumption, so those bits get exported to the EU. What will he do with his leftovers?
 
The Danish prime minister, Lars Løkke Rasmussen said the British public had been taken in by “some rhetorically skilled politicians who turned out to be untrustworthy conmen who subsequently left the sinking ship”. He also described Westminster as a circus and “a paralysed political system that is about to melt down”.
This is how much of Europe sees what is going on in the UK. There was a long article in my newspaper yesterday saying very similar things and pointing the finger at certain Ministers.
 
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The Danish prime minister, Lars Løkke Rasmussen said the British public had been taken in by “some rhetorically skilled politicians who turned out to be untrustworthy conmen who subsequently left the sinking ship”. He also described Westminster as a circus and “a paralysed political system that is about to melt down”.
This is how much of Europe sees what is going on in the UK. There was a long article in my newspaper yesterday saying very similar things and pointing the finger at certain Ministers.
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They sound like jilted second rate politicians that should be concentrating on problems in their own countries.
 
I hope that SH responded generously to the party chairman appealing for funds to fight an election. It is emerging that Moggy and his mates are looking favourably on staying in the EU as full members for another 21 months. It ticks the boxes for most of the Commons, so would probably get through. It would mean taking part in EU elections, so the UK could continue to help frame the legislation going through. Far better than being outside for the same period, yet having no say in the legislation.
 
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Rather than the towering brains in the current government like Grayling?
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I hope that SH responded generously to the party chairman appealing for funds to fight an election. It is emerging that Moggy and his mates are looking favourably on staying in the EU as full members for another 21 months. It ticks the boxes for most of the Commons, so would probably get through. It would mean taking part in EU elections, so the UK could continue to help frame the legislation going through. Far better than being outside for the same period, yet having no say in the legislation.
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The Tories have already raised a vast amount in the last year, Labour could only raise a small fraction of this, it's worst financial take in 10 years.

The far right in France are set to dominate the European elections over there so will set an anti EU agenda for France.
 
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The Tories have already raised a vast amount in the last year, Labour could only raise a small fraction of this, it's worst financial take in 10 years.

The far right in France are set to dominate the European elections over there so will set an anti EU agenda for France.
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Of course the party of the moneyed is bound to raise money from its members for their own interest... Pretty obvious

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Of course the party of the moneyed is bound to raise money from its members for their own interest... Pretty obvious

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The percentage of their money which comes from members is very low Yorkie. The Tories are heavily reliant on donations from hedge funds, bankers and the fossil fuels industry.
 
I am in the strange situation that I get two votes in EU elections, one in France and one in England. I doubt that the government in the UK will want to hold the elections, but legally they would have no choice. At least there will be a big sigh of relief that Farage says he will not stand again.
 
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I am in the strange situation that I get two votes in EU elections, one in France and one in England. I doubt that the government in the UK will want to hold the elections, but legally they would have no choice. At least there will be a big sigh of relief that Farage says he will not stand again.
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Farage has already been very successful in playing a large part towards achieving Brexit. His party, UKIP became the largest UK party in the EU at one time.

France's Rassemblement national, which is much further to the right, is set to repeat Farages spectacular victory in May's European elections. France is one of the most eurosceptic member countries which is reflected in the growing support of Le Pen's far right movement.
 
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I am in the strange situation that I get two votes in EU elections, one in France and one in England. I doubt that the government in the UK will want to hold the elections, but legally they would have no choice. At least there will be a big sigh of relief that Farage says he will not stand again.
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It will be a ridiculous waste of money and resources. Who is even going to bother voting? I might actually campaign for a giggle...
 
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Farage has already been very successful in playing a large part towards achieving Brexit. His party, UKIP became the largest UK party in the EU at one time.

France's Rassemblement national, which is much further to the right, is set to repeat Farages spectacular victory in May's European elections. France is one of the most eurosceptic member countries which is reflected in the growing support of Le Pen's far right movement.
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You give away your right wing credentials here.. Otherwise you would have little interest in such a posting.

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"May did not understand EU when she triggered Brexit" said the headline, and you can see reading his comments why Ivan Rogers the highly experienced former UK ambassador to the EU came to that conclusion. Instead of trying to understand she surrounded herself with politicians for whom ideology was everything, and knowing that you do not negotiate with individual countries should have been obvious. Cameron had tried it and failed, yet she learnt nothing from that experience. For months now we have seen her try to split off leaders, but having failed she tries again. Talk about not learning from your mistakes.

“These fantasies of release and liberation – they are fantasies. We are going to be negotiating on everything from aviation to farming for evermore with our biggest neighbour. We cannot live in glorious isolation. Talk to the Swiss and to the Norwegians – they live in a permanent state of negotiation with the EU.” said Rogers.

So should we take his knowledge as being of more worth than cabinet ministers who have failed and walked away? I would, but what should be obvious is seen by others as project fear.
 
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