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Having had the bulk of a drive up from the south coast to mull this over, I can safely say that I am nervous but genuinely excited to face this group. Last season's draw had mixed emotions as our group lacked the spectacle that we waited 5 seasons to witness, but at the same time most if not all of us were predicting that we would qualify out of it as group leaders. And no, no-one foresaw just how good Monaco would be but I would say that our 2 games against Leverkusen were what cost us the most. Two terrible performances against a bang-average side and we failed to score against them in 180 minutes of football. I think that there were 4 main factors that conspired against us last season (in no particular order):

1. Wembley
2. Lack of squad depth
3. Complacency
4. Lack of experience

Problem 1 is the only problem we don't have a solution for. The stadium situation really is a 'grin and bear it' until next season.
Problem 2 has been within our powers to fix since the beginning of June. As usual, however, we apparently only woke up to this fact last week. Gazzanigga, Foyth and Sancho are nice options, but none of them will do anything to help our CL campaign. Nor for that matter is Barkley as by the time he is back to full fitness we could be all but out of the tournament anyway. Which leaves Sanchez and Aurier from our potential transfer targets. Simply not enough as far as I'm concerned.
Problem 3 led to a terrible first game against Monaco and 2 more against Leverkusen. We were ****e out in Moscow too. Watching us play, it seemed that the players looked at our group and thought 'piss easy...this'll be just like a Europa League campaign. We can just turn up and win'. We saw this complacency again in the away tie versus Gent and it left us a molehill to climb that Alli quickly made a mountain of. Our group this year will surely ensure zero complacency?
Problem 4 remains a problem and will do so for the foreseeable future. We don't have the resources to sign players in their peak with vast CL experience. Which is why, again, Aurier makes more sense on many levels than Pereira or Toljan. The only solution to inexperience is gaining experience, and in that regard I don't think it gets much better than the best team on the planet in your group.

As for Dortmund. Yes, they are still a formidable team with more than enough to hurt us. But they are decidedly worse than 2 years ago whilst we are decidedly better. Hummels, Mickey Tarzan, Gundogan were all key players. So is Dembele and he looks certain to leave this summer. We need to be at our absolute best to beat them, but a draw away and home win could be done and should be enough to see us through.

Real away is the only tie I can see us being utterly turned over. Both by the ref and by their quality.

To dare is to do.

Good post CK. agree with all of that.

The reality this season is that we can't be complacent. If we are, we will get spanked by Madrid and Dortmund. Simple as that.
Maybe the fact that we're underdogs like we were in 2010, could result in us causing a bit of an upset. Perhaps we'll play our game with less pressure on ourselves to get a result. 2 wins, or a draw and a win in our first two games against Dortmund and Apoel, may just give us that confidence to get out of the group.

I would just really like us to get 1 attacking player who has the ability to add something different from the bench, and keep on the toes of the regulars. I think it'll make a real difference to our domestic and CL campaign, and just give us a bit of a boost, especially with Dele out for half of the CL group matches.
 
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Dortmund finished 2 points above Hoffenheim last season. 18 points, count them good people, 18 points behind Bayern. Okay, Hoffenheim lost 2 good defenders to Bayern this summer but they got butt ****ed by The Mousers; this is not the Borussia Dortmund of a few years ago.

Their record was W 18; D 10; L 6.

That's not exactly CL winning form and is a little worse than our form in a worse league. We turn up and they can be beaten. If we play like last time out, it's back to the EL. Time to turn up in Europe, boys.
 
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Having had the bulk of a drive up from the south coast to mull this over, I can safely say that I am nervous but genuinely excited to face this group. Last season's draw had mixed emotions as our group lacked the spectacle that we waited 5 seasons to witness, but at the same time most if not all of us were predicting that we would qualify out of it as group leaders. And no, no-one foresaw just how good Monaco would be but I would say that our 2 games against Leverkusen were what cost us the most. Two terrible performances against a bang-average side and we failed to score against them in 180 minutes of football. I think that there were 4 main factors that conspired against us last season (in no particular order):

1. Wembley
2. Lack of squad depth
3. Complacency
4. Lack of experience

Problem 1 is the only problem we don't have a solution for. The stadium situation really is a 'grin and bear it' until next season.
Problem 2 has been within our powers to fix since the beginning of June. As usual, however, we apparently only woke up to this fact last week. Gazzanigga, Foyth and Sancho are nice options, but none of them will do anything to help our CL campaign. Nor for that matter will Barkley as by the time he is back to full fitness we could be all but out of the tournament anyway. Which leaves Sanchez and Aurier from our potential transfer targets. Simply not enough as far as I'm concerned.
Problem 3 led to a terrible first game against Monaco and 2 more against Leverkusen. We were ****e out in Moscow too. Watching us play, it seemed that the players looked at our group and thought 'piss easy...this'll be just like a Europa League campaign. We can just turn up and win'. We saw this complacency again in the away tie versus Gent and it left us a molehill to climb that Alli quickly made a mountain of. Our group this year will surely ensure zero complacency?
Problem 4 remains a problem and will do so for the foreseeable future. We don't have the resources to sign players in their peak with vast CL experience. Which is why, again, Aurier makes more sense on many levels than Pereira or Toljan. The only solution to inexperience is gaining experience, and in that regard I don't think it gets much better than the best team on the planet in your group.

As for Dortmund. Yes, they are still a formidable team with more than enough to hurt us. But they are decidedly worse than 2 years ago whilst we are decidedly better. Hummels, Mickey Tarzan, Gundogan were all key players. So is Dembele and he looks certain to leave this summer. We need to be at our absolute best to beat them, but a draw away and home win could be done and should be enough to see us through.

Real away is the only tie I can see us being utterly turned over. Both by the ref and by their quality.

To dare is to do.

I'm really excited we'll have Real and Borussia Dortmund at Wembley. That's great luck, the way I look at it, playing in the home of English football against two of the biggest (foreign) clubs. Of course, bad efforts would not make the occasions seem quite so stellar. But a win against either might go a long way to making Wembley feel like home. There's more to gain than to lose. If worst comes to worst, that group is still a far better lead-in to the Europa than having to nudge aside guerrillas or polar bears after a long plane ride.
 
Having had the bulk of a drive up from the south coast to mull this over, I can safely say that I am nervous but genuinely excited to face this group. Last season's draw had mixed emotions as our group lacked the spectacle that we waited 5 seasons to witness, but at the same time most if not all of us were predicting that we would qualify out of it as group leaders. And no, no-one foresaw just how good Monaco would be but I would say that our 2 games against Leverkusen were what cost us the most. Two terrible performances against a bang-average side and we failed to score against them in 180 minutes of football. I think that there were 4 main factors that conspired against us last season (in no particular order):

1. Wembley
2. Lack of squad depth
3. Complacency
4. Lack of experience

Problem 1 is the only problem we don't have a solution for. The stadium situation really is a 'grin and bear it' until next season.
Problem 2 has been within our powers to fix since the beginning of June. As usual, however, we apparently only woke up to this fact last week. Gazzanigga, Foyth and Sancho are nice options, but none of them will do anything to help our CL campaign. Nor for that matter will Barkley as by the time he is back to full fitness we could be all but out of the tournament anyway. Which leaves Sanchez and Aurier from our potential transfer targets. Simply not enough as far as I'm concerned.
Problem 3 led to a terrible first game against Monaco and 2 more against Leverkusen. We were ****e out in Moscow too. Watching us play, it seemed that the players looked at our group and thought 'piss easy...this'll be just like a Europa League campaign. We can just turn up and win'. We saw this complacency again in the away tie versus Gent and it left us a molehill to climb that Alli quickly made a mountain of. Our group this year will surely ensure zero complacency?
Problem 4 remains a problem and will do so for the foreseeable future. We don't have the resources to sign players in their peak with vast CL experience. Which is why, again, Aurier makes more sense on many levels than Pereira or Toljan. The only solution to inexperience is gaining experience, and in that regard I don't think it gets much better than the best team on the planet in your group.

As for Dortmund. Yes, they are still a formidable team with more than enough to hurt us. But they are decidedly worse than 2 years ago whilst we are decidedly better. Hummels, Mickey Tarzan, Gundogan were all key players. So is Dembele and he looks certain to leave this summer. We need to be at our absolute best to beat them, but a draw away and home win could be done and should be enough to see us through.

Real away is the only tie I can see us being utterly turned over. Both by the ref and by their quality.

To dare is to do.
We do have a solution to 1. Familiarity. By the time these games come round we will have played a few games there. Last year it was all strange and unfamiliar.
 
Dortmund finished 2 points above Hoffenheim last season. 18 points, count them good people, 18 points behind Bayern. Okay, Hoffenheim lost 2 good defenders to Bayern this summer but they got butt ****ed by The Mousers; this is not the Borussia Dortmund of a few years ago.

Their record was W 18; D 10; L 6.

That's not exactly CL winning form and is a little worse than our form in a worse league. We turn up and they can be beaten. If we play like last time out, it's back to the EL. Time to turn up in Europe, boys.

Possibility of also losing Dembele to Barcelona or if he continues to sulk for not joining that basket case of a club.
 
haven't checked the comments about the draw but i for one am excited by the prospect

Some great games to look ahead to...lets give it a go!

COYS

You're Goddamn right!

The group is likely to come down to the games against Dortmund. Those are BIG games at Wembley and a cauldron of an away ground. If this team has the cojones to turn up on the really big stages and dig in and beat a team that they are the equal of and probably better than, then they may find they have it on them to win something.

This is the season we find out about this team. No more talk. Let's bloody do it!
 
Maybe we'll be really lucky and they'll lose Aubemeyang, too. <whistle>
I guess it hinges on who they buy to replace Dembele. £110m gets a choice of strikers who will all want to play for Bayern in a couple of years.
 
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Dembele was immense for BvB last season. His attacking menace covered up the cracks in their defense.

10 goals and 21 assists isn't too shabby for a 19 year old in his first Bundesliga season.
 
Fraudiola made a cringeworthy attempt to big up City's CL group in his conference today:

"I think Napoli are one of the top 3 clubs in Europe today".

Erm...right you are Pep. Enjoy your extraordinarily difficult group stage.
 
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No Astra Googoo in the Europa. :( :(

Once the team full of "seasoned international" dg were
confirmed to not be participating this season, our friendly
Romanians did not have the heart to try and qualify.
 
No Astra Googoo in the Europa. :( :(

Once the team full of "seasoned international" dg were
confirmed to not be participating this season, our friendly
Romanians did not have the heart to try and qualify.
****ing Astra Googoo, to give them their full name, were in the qualifiers again this year.
The draw wasn't as kind to them, unfortunately.
They drew FC Oleksandriya from Ukraine in the 3rd round and lost 1-0 on aggregate.
A penalty from club legend (possibly) Andriy Zaporozhan in the 2nd leg was enough to put them out.
 
One we don't have to worry about in the group stage:
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What will Dortmund do with the money, though?