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QPR Oslo said:
I was with until your last sentence. On that there are no doubt some few that expect every whim. But the larger problem in UK society for me is the racial intolerance of far too many people, and not only white Brits. The some few who expect every whim merely provide a pseudo excuse for it.

Racism in my experience in the UK is the worst I have experienced. I have lived in the US where racism was huge, but it was open on the counter in your face, and very frequently it became just words and a humour. In the UK it was under the counter, not in your face but on the phone for example, or a fire bomb in the dead of night in your corner shop another too common worse example, and far more viscous. Other countries seem to progress, melt together, other problems become bigger for everyone. The racism in the UK seems the exception, still being hidden with every other label, religion and political movement going, and very nasty.

Maybe talking like on here is a good sign but it's racism, nothing else.
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Could I refer you to my OP Oslo?

My antipathy is towards the religion and the attitudes and behaviours that it encourages/demands.

Do you consider me to be racist?
 
sheffordqpr said:
I haven't read every post in this thread and nor will I. Suffice it to say that I have some very close relationships with Muslims and have taken time to read the more pertinent parts of the Quran. WITHOUT EXCEPTION the followers of Islam that I know are amongst the gentlest, respectful people I know. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the whole barrel.We are all aware of the atrocities committed by these so called followers of Islam, but let us not forget that we pillaged our way through Muslim countries in the name of Imperialism not so long ago, the results of which are that we had Muslims fighting on our side in the last world war in exchange for safe passage to the UK in subsequent years. We are not so innocent ourselves.The Crusades were entirely carried out to enforce our religion on others. Let he who is without sin etc, etc. I am in no way defending the actions of IS, moreover I am pointing out that we are not as pure as the driven snow.
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Some extremely good points there Sheff.

(Although its a pity you're finding common cause with Muslims because they hate gays almost as much as you <doh>)

QPR Oslo said:
I was with until your last sentence. On that there are no doubt some few that expect every whim. But the larger problem in UK society for me is the racial intolerance of far too many people, and not only white Brits. The some few who expect every whim merely provide a pseudo excuse for it.Racism in my experience in the UK is the worst I have experienced. I have lived in the US where racism was huge, but it was open on the counter in your face, and very frequently it became just words and a humour. In the UK it was under the counter, not in your face but on the phone for example, or a fire bomb in the dead of night in your corner shop another too common worse example, and far more viscous. Other countries seem to progress, melt together, other problems become bigger for everyone. The racism in the UK seems the exception, still being hidden with every other label, religion and political movement going, and very nasty.Maybe talking like on here is a good sign but it's racism, nothing else.
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Ozzie, what do you make of this punter?

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Swords Hoopster. said:
Some extremely good points there Sheff. Its a pity you're finding common cause with Muslims because they hate gays almost as much as you <doh>



Ozzie, what do you make of this punter?

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Why try and ruin a nice, sensible discussion with crass generalisations?
 
QPR Oslo said:
I was with until your last sentence. On that there are no doubt some few that expect every whim. But the larger problem in UK society for me is the racial intolerance of far too many people, and not only white Brits. The some few who expect every whim merely provide a pseudo excuse for it.

Racism in my experience in the UK is the worst I have experienced. I have lived in the US where racism was huge, but it was open on the counter in your face, and very frequently it became just words and a humour. In the UK it was under the counter, not in your face but on the phone for example, or a fire bomb in the dead of night in your corner shop another too common worse example, and far more viscous. Other countries seem to progress, melt together, other problems become bigger for everyone. The racism in the UK seems the exception, still being hidden with every other label, religion and political movement going, and very nasty.

Maybe talking like on here is a good sign but it's racism, nothing else.
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I've encountered racism in every country I've spent any appreciable amount of time in, the most entrenched in China and Japan. Some of it you will never know until you have really got to know some locals and have enough of the local language. It's no worse in the UK than anywhere else in my experience, and considerably better now than 40 years ago.
 
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Swords Hoopster. said:
Of course you can't. Only those who support such policies can be classed as such. Are you being serious?




You've clearly not integrated into your host nation enough yet when you believe that your Country has the right to hold onto part of that Country in perpetuity because of a war 300 years ago. Your stance is extremely arrogant and not a little embarrassing considering you're an immigrant and therefore merely a guest in that Country.

And to think that someone like you is complaining about other immigrants coming to Britain and not respecting their host nation enough. One might be tempted to laugh if such hypocrisy wasn't so revolting.
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You are referring to Gibraltar I guess, where does it say that Gibraltar is a part of Spain? The people of Gibraltar don't want to be a part of Spain they voted democratically against it. Like I said in a previous post you have no idea but it doesn't stop you posting. The area of Spain around Gibraltar and Gibraltar coexist relatively peacefully and have a good commercial relations, thousands of Spanish work in Gibraltar. The Rock and the refinery complex are the major employers in the region, tensions are low key except when the Spanish government (who completely ignore the region 9 times out of 10) and sabre rattlers like your self jump on a political bandwagon.
I also take exception Seamus to you calling me ignorant and a hypocrit. You are really just a bit of keyboard warrior who loves nothing better than getting under the skin of others.
 
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I think the real interesting thing is how we have brainwashed to think about the Muslim faith
As for ISIS then it's all about fear IMO keeping Europe especially on edge .
If there was this threat about as the media report the troubles in for example Syria then I say bollocks and wake up and don't believe the hype

In Cyprus just a day trip away you have plenty of terrorist targets where England has ruined yet another place

Yet there are no attacks there no ex pats getting killed for the ISIS cause

Yet in England we are on full alert

It's laughable

I don't think the Muslim faith treats women that well in general and I find that hard apart from that I have no problem with any human or race apart from the English who generally are complete fools
 
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What's your point swordsie
I enjoy my new country and all it has to offer
I abide the laws of new Zealand and have integrated fully into the new Zealand way of life
If ALL immigrants to new country's did this lots of the issues would go away
Also I think exhibit d is an aussie
 
I would imagine most of us think like this.

1- England is a fairly small island nation.
2- How many people can we fit in?
3- Housing. Doesn't matter how much people blame housebuilders, if more people arrive where will they live? And this leads to number 4...
4- Rent. Supply and demand = some greedy landlords and substandard accomodation.
5- Education. Schools are struggling, not just with baby boomers, but immigration and kids with English as a second language, so needs more detailed teaching
6- NHS
I could go on, but I think most of our concerns lie not with someones crazy beliefs; they are a minority, but more about our identity as a nation and how our resources can cope..
 
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Watford_R said:
Difficult to disagree with that. I think if it gives people comfort then by all means worship whichever make-believe deity you want just keep it in your own home/temple and keep general society totally secular.
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Spot on. I always giggle when some Christians seem to think their faith makes them better than others. Of course if you really believe that you probably should not be calling yourself a Christian.
I agree on the halal point - not only on welfare grounds but because it goes completely against competition laws and is unfair on non Muslim butchers.
 
I am sick to death of hearing Muslims on the TV or radio complaining about the security services and Britain's foreign policy etc etc. Everything and anything other than themselves.

Islam has a huge problem.
The Islamic faith requires reformation, much like many other religions (fairy stories) have in the past.
 

I wonder why Norwegians are not racist!

Christianity 4,115,675 83.6%
Lutheranism 3,911,622 79.4%
Roman Catholicism 83,018 1.6%
Pentecostalism 39,599 0.8%
Jehovah's Witnesses 11,739 0.2%
Methodism 11,055 0.2%
Baptists 9,922 0.2%
Orthodox Christianity 9,894 0.2%
Seventh-day Adventist Church 5,066 0.1%
Other Christianity 33,760 0.6%
Non-Christian religions 133,219 2.7%
Islam 106,735 2.1%
Buddhism 14,580 0.2%
Hinduism 5,858 0.1%
Sikhism 2,975 0.06%
Bahá'í Faith 1,064 0.02%
Judaism 819 0.01%
Other religions 1,188 0.02%
Non-religious and unknown 671,411 13.6%
Humanism 84,481 1.7%
Total 4,920,305 100.0%
 
Stroller said:
Could I refer you to my OP Oslo?

My antipathy is towards the religion and the attitudes and behaviours that it encourages/demands.

Do you consider me to be racist?
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You probably know yourself better than me Stroller! But unless you say otherwise I'll continue to believe you are not. But I don't understand why people covering their faces seems such a problem for you? A teacher told me once she felt she couldn't communicate with pupils when she could only see their eyes. But as eyes say the most in a face, I didn't believe it, and have difficulty seeing all the concern about it is anything other than prejudice and unnecessary fear. Some of the teachers fear the kids all have their tongues stuck out at them maybe.
 
QPR Oslo said:
You probably know yourself better than me Stroller! But unless you say otherwise I'll continue to believe you are not. But I don't understand why people covering their faces seems such a problem for you? A teacher told me once she felt she couldn't communicate with pupils when she could only see their eyes. But as eyes say the most in a face, I didn't believe it, and have difficulty seeing all the concern about it is anything other than prejudice and unnecessary fear. Some of the teachers fear the kids all have their tongues stuck out at them maybe.
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What if they wear sunglasses? :p

I don't think it's right that you can't see a person's face when speaking to them, serving them etc. They should be identifiable. If I walked around in a crash helmet I'd be made to take it off in a bank etc.
 
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QPR Oslo said:
You probably know yourself better than me Stroller! But unless you say otherwise I'll continue to believe you are not. But I don't understand why people covering their faces seems such a problem for you? A teacher told me once she felt she couldn't communicate with pupils when she could only see their eyes. But as eyes say the most in a face, I didn't believe it, and have difficulty seeing all the concern about it is anything other than prejudice and unnecessary fear. Some of the teachers fear the kids all have their tongues stuck out at them maybe.
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My problem with people (women) covering their faces is that they are doing so because they have told to by men in the name of religion (domination).

I do not consider myself to be racist, but the reason I started this thread was that I was concerned that my anti-Islamic stance might be perceived to be so.

Maybe talking like on here is a good sign but it's racism, nothing else.

Am I racist in your eyes, Ossie?
 
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surreyhoop said:
I would imagine most of us think like this.

1- England is a fairly small island nation.
2- How many people can we fit in?
3- Housing. Doesn't matter how much people blame housebuilders, if more people arrive where will they live? And this leads to number 4...
4- Rent. Supply and demand = some greedy landlords and substandard accomodation.
5- Education. Schools are struggling, not just with baby boomers, but immigration and kids with English as a second language, so needs more detailed teaching
6- NHS
I could go on, but I think most of our concerns lie not with someones crazy beliefs; they are a minority, but more about our identity as a nation and how our resources can cope..
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Can't agree with this
I fly back into England and look down at what seems a very crowded land ... It isn't there is loads of space
We have no rights just because the dice landed in our favour and we were lucky to be born here
England is a big shop with hungry greedy people always shopping
Investments and property and I'm all right jack is the focus . Most in debt in one way or another pretending they are happy . The focus I find is very inward with wealth being the main driver. Social engineering in London is gathering real pace now as families on housing benefits are relocated to other areas of the UK and forgotten . The councils selling their assets to the developers who are developing what? For what?
There is no wonder that different ethic groups isolate themselves in such an environment
The UK has generated this rich wonderland is it any wonder that people has their dreams set on this illusion
Of course the NHS and the schools are at breaking point nothing to do about population just poor management and the fact that money goes to other corrupt ventures to make the rich richer

So cashing in on inflated property is the way as many flee the capital
But what to do with equity when Londoners buy in the south for what seems to them pocket money ... Get a second property and rent it out ... Your money makes nothing in the banks ... They are too busy borrowing and gambling larger sums financing the developers
Rent prices increase property on paper goes up as greed makes demand ... Seen the prices in Brighton lately? It's growing very quickly and of course the infrastructure can't cope
people are squeezed into small groups of a lot different origins it's human to gang up and watch selfish people focussed on only themselves
The great thing is IMO that new wave pretend clever rich can't unite ever
Pick any typical housing new build complex in the south and you will find the people I hate most ... These people have shallow ideals with rented cars and waffle about how much their house prices have gone up ... and moan about the trouble they have with their tenants ... The very people driven out of society
How many young people could afford a house and at what cost to life

When I hear or read crap about how the problem is all about other people coming to the UK for a dream of a better life I get mad

I agree with Madrid however in another country respect that culture and immerse ... Trouble is the UK has no culture based on the pin pick I have mentioned above ... It's rotten

Ex pats if britains move abroad but immigrants if people come to us

Until some Brit gets his head cut off on the internet we are all happy watching Syriana on Netflix about as close as we get to understand the problems of the Middle East

Happy to accept that Islam is total evil and get brainwashed when selected news of dangerous terrorists is fed to us .... Meanwhile the slaughter in Palestine goes on without a mention

I can fully understand why the west looks bad to other areas of the world
Who exactly are the extremists ?
When is enough enough for the rich on the UK ? Isn't that being extreme ?

We can't handle the horror of a head being cut off when in short it's just another life being taken ... Wrong of course but what is worse people dying a slow painful death on a NHS waiting list because of lack of money ? Or suffering from killer stress because of debt etc ... The answer make lager cheaper than bottled water

It's ****ed and the UK is absolutely full of racists I am racist against what us Brits have become
 
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