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[Congleton_QPR]

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[Congleton_QPR]

People is this country don't work hard
We haven't got to the very reason we have imported our service workers
Of course it's attractive this system for the world but it's not right in my book. The world is generally broke thinking we are rich is an illusion

To say people don't work hard in this country is a very sweeping and frankly insulting generalisation.
Try doing 12 hour night shifts in manufacturing/production then tell me people don't work hard.
Something tells me you would find that kind of work beneath you

 

[KooPeeArr]

To say people don't work hard in this country is a very sweeping and frankly insulting generalisation.
Try doing 12 hour night shifts in manufacturing/production then tell me people don't work hard.
Something tells me you would find that kind of work beneath you

I think this whole thread is based on boxing people up into convenient groups and then making sweeping generalisations. It could be easily argued that any group on the end of a negative generalisation would be insulted but most of the groups aren't represented on this forum.

The fact that the majority group can feel aggrieved by a few throwing remarks back is a lesson at best and a fitting irony at worst.

 

[sb_73]

To say people don't work hard in this country is a very sweeping and frankly insulting generalisation.
Try doing 12 hour night shifts in manufacturing/production then tell me people don't work hard.
Something tells me you would find that kind of work beneath you

Some facts here. We may not be lazy, but we are not very productive. In fact we are 17% less productive than other developed economies, and 27% less than France. We beat Japan, but that's a country that has been in recession for 20 years and has a labour market which acts as a social welfare system with redundant jobs and over manning everywhere.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/icp/i...y/2013---final-estimates/info-icp-feb-15.html

 

[rangercol]

Plenty of the usual own-country-hating crap on here I see.
I'm always curious as to why those people who so obviously dislike their own country choose to still live here.
Mmm.......I wonder.

 

[Congleton_QPR]

I think this whole thread is based on boxing people up into convenient groups and then making sweeping generalisations. It could be easily argued that any group on the end of a negative generalisation would be insulted but most of the groups aren't represented on this forum.

The fact that the majority group can feel aggrieved by a few throwing remarks back is a lesson at best and a fitting irony at worst.

Hang on.
Not wishing to pick a fight and fully prepared to be corrected if I have misinterpreted your post, but are you saying that the hard working people of this country are not allowed to be aggrieved at being called lazy and have it insinuated its their own fault that we have such immigration issues (by a guy who sits pontificating in France) as to mention it after expressing concerns over immigration would be far too ironic??
BTW I would have no issue with any immigrant coming here to work, as I said way back in the thread for me its all about fitting in, better that than claim benefits or worse still trying to change our culture while plotting the countries downfall from within

 

[KooPeeArr]

Hang on.
Not wishing to pick a fight and fully prepared to be corrected if I have misinterpreted your post, but are you saying that the hard working people of this country are not allowed to be aggrieved at being called lazy and have it insinuated its their own fault that we have such immigration issues (by a guy who sits pontificating in France) as to mention it after expressing concerns over immigration would be far too ironic??
BTW I would have no issue with any immigrant coming here to work, as I said way back in the thread for me its all about fitting in, better that than claim benefits or worse still trying to change our culture while plotting the countries downfall from within

My post was more aimed at this thread in general rather than an attack at workers.

Because of the circumstances of this debate, it's only the posters who can make the generalisations and, in turn get offended by being on the receiving end.

When it started, the sweeping statements went outwards at groups not represented and, quite predictably, after enough get thrown, some hit groups that do have a voice on here. Rest assured, by the time this one's over, most will have taken offence at something while vehemently defending their right to offend others through blanket assertions.

I don't mean offence personally; I have no anger and am taking the role of by-stander flitting between being amused and saddened.

 

[sb_73]

Plenty of the usual own-country-hating crap on here I see.
I'm always curious as to why those people who so obviously dislike their own country choose to still live here.
Mmm.......I wonder.

I like the beer.

 

[Congleton_QPR]

My post was more aimed at this thread in general rather than an attack at workers.

Because of the circumstances of this debate, it's only the posters who can make the generalisations and, in turn get offended by being on the receiving end.

When it started, the sweeping statements went outwards at groups not represented and, quite predictably, after enough get thrown, some hit groups that do have a voice on here. Rest assured, by the time this one's over, most will have taken offence at something while vehemently defending their right to offend others through blanket assertions.

I don't mean offence personally; I have no anger and am taking the role of by-stander flitting between being amused and saddened.

Ok fair dos and I appreciate that it wasn't meant as a personal slight, but just to re affirm, I don't believe my standpoint on the OP is a negative generalisation of Muslims.
I have at no point said all Muslims are bad or terrorists or anything.
I would however imagine that most , if not all Muslims (even the moderate ones) would like as many mosques in Britain as possible, they would also like interest free mortgages to suit their religious needs, they would also like their women to wear muslim dress code and for us generally to accept their culture into our own.
Personally speaking I don't think any of this is compatible with English culture and I don't think it should be forced upon us.
Therefore as I don't feel I have generalised negatively , rather just pointed out a few truths I reserve the right to be offended at being generalised as a "lazy British worker"

 

[qprbeth]

I like the beer.

my football team is here!

 

[Big Ern]

Yes, unfortunately someone like yourself has to trot out the 'you took it from the Aborigines' ................. ( the same circumstances that happened all round the world if you want to go back far enough ) Just for your benefit, I'm talking 2015, not 1770.

No, it was in 2007, that's less than ten years ago, that's when you falsely accused them of all being *****s's so you could strip them of their rights, (which the 'might' get back in 2022) homes and families, and sell the mineral rich land to mining corporations, because it was better than paying them for the mineral rights. a rich abo? unthinkable.
That is modern day australia, you're a nation of smiling insipid nazi's, you complain about neo-nazi rallies, then go to the polls to vote for nazi policies. A backward and superficial nation, which is ironic when you consider you're descended from unwanted gin-sodden gutter-whores, maybe that's the problem.

 

[WBA2_QPR3]

Interesting thread.

Having spent upwards of 20 years working overseas, the majority of which in Malaysia, Egypt and now Qatar i have yet to experience any intolerance or prejudice against myself as a non-muslim. On the contrary i have been made to feel welcome and have made many firm Muslim friends.7

Islam is much misunderstood in the Western world. I lay much of todays Islamaphobia in the UK squarely on successive governments belief in multiculturalism, which in my opinion panders to the worst elements of religious society of all faiths. That and a rabid tabloid media.

We are now into Ramadam, a time of self reflection and evaluation of our own personal faiths.

A time of hope.

Ramadan Mubarak to you all.

 

[kiwiqpr]

No, it was in 2007, that's less than ten years ago, that's when you falsely accused them of all being *****s's so you could strip them of their rights, (which the 'might' get back in 2022) homes and families, and sell the mineral rich land to mining corporations, because it was better than paying them for the mineral rights. a rich abo? unthinkable.
That is modern day australia, you're a nation of smiling insipid nazi's, you complain about neo-nazi rallies, then go to the polls to vote for nazi policies. A backward and superficial nation, which is ironic when you consider you're descended from unwanted gin-sodden gutter-whores, maybe that's the problem.

Now there's a sweeping statement
I'm sure not all Aussies are descended from gin sodden gutter whores

 

[sb_73]

No, it was in 2007, that's less than ten years ago, that's when you falsely accused them of all being *****s's so you could strip them of their rights, (which the 'might' get back in 2022) homes and families, and sell the mineral rich land to mining corporations, because it was better than paying them for the mineral rights. a rich abo? unthinkable.
That is modern day australia, you're a nation of smiling insipid nazi's, you complain about neo-nazi rallies, then go to the polls to vote for nazi policies. A backward and superficial nation, which is ironic when you consider you're descended from unwanted gin-sodden gutter-whores, maybe that's the problem.

You obviously feel strongly about this. What are you actually doing about it apart from posting on a forum focussed on English football, anonymously?

 

[Swords Hoopster.]

I'm sure not all Aussies are descended from gin sodden gutter whores

No them all but most of 'em probably are

 

[Big Ern]

Now there's a sweeping statement
I'm sure not all Aussies are descended from gin sodden gutter whores

not all, some were thieves as well, and maybe not all were gin sodden, but they're sill a nation of immigrant boat people who use violence and intimidation to force people to live their way.

 

[TWGWTDT]

I gfind it hard to believe that the british have become lazy
the brits cant rely on foreign workers to do all the hard work
I think twgwtdt must have a soft office type job

I do when I work but my roots are in farming so I know both sides lads
Stand by it as well this country talks a good job nowadays Of course everyone on here knows a grafter but hard work is not the same as it was no way ... The ethic has long gone
We live in a comfort bubble
The last of my family is probably working now and has only had one holiday in his life
Saying all that have a look at catering
Fractionally one up from slave labour
Pick any mainstream catering brand happy with the service of UK residents working in that field ?
Match them up with people from other countries working in the UK
They have the ethic

 

[TWGWTDT]

In my experience

Best builders German and Polish
Take away Catering Asia China
Best road workers France
Best transport workers France
Best restaurant service France Italy
Best Taxi drivers Asia
Best Managers UK
Best talkers about work UK
Best moaners UK
We have offshored what we can in the UK every wondered why.... We don't want to work and if we did it would be too expensive and nothing would get done

Best creatives UK

 

[Busy Being Headhunted]

In my experience

Best builders German and Polish
Take away Catering Asia China
Best road workers France
Best transport workers France
Best restaurant service France Italy
Best Taxi drivers Asia
Best Managers UK
Best talkers about work UK
Best moaners UK
We have offshored what we can in the UK every wondered why.... We don't want to work and if we did it would be too expensive and nothing would get done

Best creatives UK

top at talking bollocks TWGWTDT
Asian taxi drivers are some of the worst drivers on the road for a start and half of them are illegal

 

[Didley Squat]

not all, some were thieves as well, and maybe not all were gin sodden, but they're sill a nation of immigrant boat people who use violence and intimidation to force people to live their way.

To continue this conversation with you would not be fair on someone with such limited intellect, so therefore, I will refrain from any further comment with the exception of saying, go back to your board, you are not welcome on ours.