The way forward for THFC ??

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Thought I'd add to this rather than derail the match day thread.

As I left the Milan game I said to my mate that I'd be amazed if Conte was still our manager for the forest game.

Our performance in a must win game was dire. Their keeper had one save to make ... in the 94th minute.
We took of Kulusevski and put Sanchez on when we were down to 10 men with only 8 minutes left.

We have since wasted two of our remaining 12 games by allowing a manager who does not rate the players (ones HE chooses week in week out), plays uber defensive, **** to watch football that is failing to win very winnable games and clearly has no interest in staying.

The only solution is for Conte to go now.
Just pay him off the rest of his contract...it's only 3 months.

If there's some clause, suspend him for publicly bad mouthing the club and place him on gardening leave til his contract is up.

Get our first choice of manager in...now... so he can use the rest of the season assessing the squad, decide what areas he wants strengthened and pick his transfer targets accordingly.

Many of us said the same in February 2020 after the EL debacle but instead we wasted another 2 months, then sacked JM 6 days before a cup final to distract from the clubs moronic decision to join the ESL and then wasted a further 10 weeks screwing up getting a manager because we were too incompetent to put a plan together in February when it was obvious JM had to go.

We look odds on to repeat that stupidity.

Mainly (imo) because Levy continues to make the same mistakes when choosing and replacing managers.
He sacked bloke in a coat just before a semi final v Arsenal and employed Hoddle. There was no rush to change managers and Hoddle was a very risky choice as his man management skills were notoriously problematic.

He then employed Pleat (who had a history of not getting on with Hoddle and viserversa) and the problems between them led to various public spats.

He sacked Hoddle in September after just 6 games...why didn't he get rid at the end of the previous season as many fans thought needed to happen (I say this cos this ain't hindsight). This lack of a clear strategy led to us having a caretaker manager for the rest of a very very depressing season.
I have no idea what to say about appointing a manager (santini) who did not trust his DoF (Arnesen) which led to signings not being played.

Jol was an Arnesen choice and was a success. The treatment of him by Comolli (excuse spelling) ... appointed by Levy ... was a complete joke. His sacking was a total disgrace as was Ramos' reign.

It took Redknapp's appointment in 2008 to undo the comolli/Ramos car crash.

I kind of understood Redknapp's sacking due him refusing to sign a contract when he thought he'd get the England job and then demanding a new one on live TV when he didn't get it while Levy was at his mother's funeral.

But getting AVB was always going to be a car crash.

Pochettino was a great signing but to give him £150m in the summer an then sack him in October was stupid.

There were reasons to consider replacing him (terrible league form from mid Jan - May 2019 and playing out of form players week in week out while ignoring others) but to do it then made no sense.

Not even bothering with JM. Everything that happened was beyond predictable.

There is nothing positive to say about the process followed that led to Nuno.

And yet we again appear to be floundering around in the dark rather than having a strategy.

Next season will be decided by what happens now imo and with Levy making football decisions I have no optimism in a good decision happening

You've answered your own point there. We haven't sacked Conte and we don't have a "first choice manager" for one and the same reason: Levy has not got a ****ing clue.
 
You've answered your own point there. We haven't sacked Conte and we don't have a "first choice manager" for one and the same reason: Levy has not got a ****ing clue.
We have Paratici as DoF, whose job to identify the next manager as that's what a DoF does...with the slight issue that Paratici's position might be untenable come the end of April, so the person whose role is to identify a manager and identify players for them might not be working with the club next season

So Levy does have a clue, just like he had a clue in having David Pleat carry the can for most of the 2003-4 season as Frank Arnesen wouldn't be in place until the end of the season so there was no point in hiring a short-term manager
 
I don't buy this culture of the club (karma chameleon?) bullshit.
Was the culture at Utd poor since Ferguson left, starting exactly when he went?
Is the culture **** at Villa, Southampton or Wolves?

How is the culture the same from 20 years ago?
Everything's changed, including the stadium.
It just seems like a stupid meme, to me. Everyone blows leads.
I think half of Southampton's points have come from being behind, for example.
 
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I don't buy this culture of the club (karma chameleon?) bullshit.
Was the culture at Utd poor since Ferguson left, starting exactly when he went?
Is the culture **** at Villa, Southampton or Wolves?

How is the culture the same from 20 years ago?
Everything's changed, including the stadium.
It just seems like a stupid meme, to me. Everyone blows leads.
I think half of Southampton's points have come from being behind, for example.
The obvious point is why nobody questions the culture of PSG's players, given their track record of crashing out of the Champions League in increasingly ridiculous ways, such as...
2014 - beat Chelsea 3-1 in the first leg, lost the second leg 2-0 and went out on away goals
2017 - beat Barca 4-0 in the first leg, went out 6-5 on aggregate
2019 - beat Man Utd 2-0 in the first leg, lost second leg 3-1 at home to get knocked out on away goals
2022 - beat Los Ladrones 1-0 in the first leg and were 2-0 up on aggregate in the 60th minute of the second leg, only to lose the second leg 3-1
 
The obvious point is why nobody questions the culture of PSG's players, given their track record of crashing out of the Champions League in increasingly ridiculous ways, such as...
2014 - beat Chelsea 3-1 in the first leg, lost the second leg 2-0 and went out on away goals
2017 - beat Barca 4-0 in the first leg, went out 6-5 on aggregate
2019 - beat Man Utd 2-0 in the first leg, lost second leg 3-1 at home to get knocked out on away goals
2022 - beat Los Ladrones 1-0 in the first leg and were 2-0 up on aggregate in the 60th minute of the second leg, only to lose the second leg 3-1
They have a staggering capacity for bottling it in the CL. Their star players play in a comfort zone in a modest league. They aren’t tough enough to mix it in the CL when it matters. It’s a retirement home for Messi, although it really shouldn’t be for Mbappe and Neymar yet.
 
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I don't buy this culture of the club (karma chameleon?) bullshit.
Was the culture at Utd poor since Ferguson left, starting exactly when he went?
Is the culture **** at Villa, Southampton or Wolves?

How is the culture the same from 20 years ago?
Everything's changed, including the stadium.
It just seems like a stupid meme, to me. Everyone blows leads.
I think half of Southampton's points have come from being behind, for example.
More than half now....
I think we won the first nine cup finals we played in. Was that due to culture or DNA?
Of course not.
 
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definitely due to culture and desire and focus

How many of them 9 were under Levy’s watch?
They spanned 80 years....there is no mechanism that could explain it.
What mechanism is Levy employing that simultaneously makes us much better in terms of league placing while reducing the chance of winning cup matches?
And how is he getting that through to the players independently of the manager?
 
They spanned 80 years....there is no mechanism that could explain it.
What mechanism is Levy employing that simultaneously makes us much better in terms of league placing while reducing the chance of winning cup matches?
And how is he getting that through to the players independently of the manager?

4th spot was given meaning due to the CL that’s why you and a few others call it ‘success’

its not really anything to shout about…scraping into it and limping out of it year upon year…you let me know what success you see there

1 piece of silverware under his tenure

the clubs longest barren spells under ENICs watch

We have discussed his methods umpteen times, we have discussed his focal points umpteen times
 
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These days Tottenham Hotspur is not a serious football club, ENIC FC are frauds and are conning the loyal fans of this once great club into funding their entertainment and property business. This is what it has become, true fans still go to games because of what it once was, not because of what it is now.
 
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These days Tottenham Hotspur is not a serious football club, ENIC FC are frauds and are conning the loyal fans of this once great club into funding their entertainment and property business. This is what it has become, true fans still go to games because of what it once was, not because of what it is now.
Feel free to provide an example of this so-called "fraud"
 
Don't be daft...she has no examples of any of her claims. I don't know Billy's gender so the female includes the male.
A ten second glance at Billy's profile page states "Male" - quite easy to discover really rather than guess
 
Seriously, there's a glut of dreadful Spurs discourse out there. Why does an element of our fanbase insist on not only trying to add to it, but also by using the dirt worst discourse which spectacularly misses the point every single time?

If your go-to sources are Harry ****espout or World of Gobshite, you may as well be quoting AFTV
 
Seriously, there's a glut of dreadful Spurs discourse out there. Why does an element of our fanbase insist on not only trying to add to it, but also by using the dirt worst discourse which spectacularly misses the point every single time?

If your go-to sources are Harry ****espout or World of Gobshite, you may as well be quoting AFTV
Should we just be happy clappers then?
 
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These days Tottenham Hotspur is not a serious football club, ENIC FC are frauds and are conning the loyal fans of this once great club into funding their entertainment and property business. This is what it has become, true fans still go to games because of what it once was, not because of what it is now.

Billy-opoly :

Yo have landed on the "ENIC FC are frauds" square.
Go directly to "See you in court (defamation)" .