Off Topic The QPR Not 606 Rolling Election Poll

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Who will you vote for in the May 2015 UK General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 36 32.4%

  • Green

    Votes: 6 5.4%

  • Labour

    Votes: 17 15.3%

  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 4 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 1 0.9%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 18 16.2%

  • Other

    Votes: 4 3.6%

  • I will not vote

    Votes: 11 9.9%

  • I cannot vote - too young/in prison/in House of Lords/mad

    Votes: 1 0.9%

  • I am not a citizen of the UK

    Votes: 13 11.7%
  • Total voters
    111
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Swords Hoopster. said:
Can't argue with any of that Goldie.

I guess my eye was caught by COL calling Nicola Sturgeon odious for wanting to break up a union of Nations yet in the next post he himself tells of his desire to do the very same thing.

The Tories will renegotiate the UK's membership of the EU, in other words get a number of concessions, which is exactly the same thing the Sweaty's did & are still doing regarding their membership of the UK. How can one be odious and the other equitable?
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The answer to your question is that the Scots are suddenly asking for financially based concessions after 300 years of union and parity with the other UK nations. Whereas the UK voted to enter a European trading group, The Common Market, and 40 years later finds itself being drawn rapidly into political union with a large number of countries of differing economic development and the loss of control of our borders
 
[QUOTE="KooPeeArr, post: 7907977, member: 1010741

Lastly, thanks Stan for making this thread so enjoyable - you contrary views (many I suspect for the cause of debate) and even manner (albeit slightly partisan) have been an absolute pleasure to read. Again, thank you.[/QUOTE]
Thank you Matt, it's been a pleasure, I've throroughly enjoyed myself and it has made me engage with this election more than since I was a kid. Would never have guessed the result, that's part of the beauty of it.

Just remember:

"The need to be right is the sign of a vulgar mind."

Albert Camus
 
GoldhawkRd said:
The answer to your question is that the Scots are suddenly asking for financially based concessions after 300 years of union and parity with the other UK nations. Whereas the UK voted to enter a European trading group, The Common Market, and 40 years later finds itself being drawn rapidly into political union with a large number of countries of differing economic development and the loss of control of our borders
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Translation: When we're the boss everything's cool but when the shoe's on the other foot we dunnae like it :tongue:
 
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GoldhawkRd said:
The answer to your question is that the Scots are suddenly asking for financially based concessions after 300 years of union and parity with the other UK nations. Whereas the UK voted to enter a European trading group, The Common Market, and 40 years later finds itself being drawn rapidly into political union with a large number of countries of differing economic development and the loss of control of our borders
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You have put it so well that I don't need to add anything to that. Thanks.
 
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Swords Hoopster. said:
Translation: When we're the boss everything's cool but when the shoe's on the other foot we dunnae like it :tongue:
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Let me get this straight. Are you saying that the United Kingdom is the same as the European Union?

I don't want the Union to split up, but I can see no alternative now that the SNP have taken over Scotland. With that scenario, I think it's now probably best that they go it alone.
 
It'll be the one and only time that the SNP are in this position. If they haven't got independence before the next election, they will be fighting for newly drawn constituencies which will be bigger and much more evenly balanced in terms of population. The Lib Dems blocked the Tories from doing this in the last Parliament. I think there will be fewer seats overall, but much fewer in Scotland where there are some geographically big but tiny in population terms constituencies. I doubt the Tories will do anything about PR, it's hardly in their interest to, but the Scots won't ever have the same proportion of seats again. I doubt the changes will do Labour any favours either.
 
Can't blame the scots for getting away with what they can get away with. Just don't see why they get a disproportionate slice of the pie from Westminster on top of a devolved government, especially when rejecting the option to leave.
 
sb_73 said:
It'll be the one and only time that the SNP are in this position. If they haven't got independence before the next election, they will be fighting for newly drawn constituencies which will be bigger and much more evenly balanced in terms of population. The Lib Dems blocked the Tories from doing this in the last Parliament. I think there will be fewer seats overall, but much fewer in Scotland where there are some geographically big but tiny in population terms constituencies. I doubt the Tories will do anything about PR, it's hardly in their interest to, but the Scots won't ever have the same proportion of seats again. I doubt the changes will do Labour any favours either.
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I may well run the risk of sounding simplistic here, but aren't politicians elected to serve us and not visa versa? That being the case, then we the people should have the right to say which voting system we want and how many seats and constituencies there are. Otherwise the governing party can more or less invoke footballs FFP rules which only allows the present incuntbents to stay at the top of the game leaving everyone else to tread water.
 
PR would be a disaster:

- lunatic parties getting in
- no majorities

Is it really in the country's best interests to have 15% (or whatever it is) UKIP MPs?

Maybe a mix of the two systems.
 
I'm just beginning to come out of the depression that I entered into at around 1.30 this morning, and would like to congratulate all the Not606 Tories on their stunning victory. Your government will no doubt protect your interests. I am fearful for the rest of the nation, though. Christ knows what these people are capable of without the moderating influences of coalition.
 
QPR999 said:
I may well run the risk of sounding simplistic here, but aren't politicians elected to serve us and not visa versa? That being the case, then we the people should have the right to say which voting system we want and how many seats and constituencies there are. Otherwise the governing party can more or less invoke footballs FFP rules which only allows the present incuntbents to stay at the top of the game leaving everyone else to tread water.
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Nines, there was a referendum held in 2011 soon after the coalition took office to decide on changing the voting system to a type of PR (called AV or alternative voting system).
It was defeated, 32% for and 68% against.
 
Grinning~Cur said:
Nines, there was a referendum held in 2011 soon after the coalition took office to decide on changing the voting system to a type of PR (called AV or alternative voting system).
It was defeated, 32% for and 68% against.
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Cheers Twins, was that voted for by the people or by Parliament?
 
"This has been an awful result for us, and we are going to have to rethink our strategy for the next general election"

said the Director General of the BBC...

(This is not my joke)
 
QPR999 said:
I may well run the risk of sounding simplistic here, but aren't politicians elected to serve us and not visa versa? That being the case, then we the people should have the right to say which voting system we want and how many seats and constituencies there are. Otherwise the governing party can more or less invoke footballs FFP rules which only allows the present incuntbents to stay at the top of the game leaving everyone else to tread water.
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They give the job to an 'electoral commission' so it doesn't look like too much of a fix. And remember, in our system they are 'representatives' not delegates, the assumption is we trust them to guess what we want. Getting 35% of the votes cast in a constituency gives them this right. Apparently. We have no way to recall or get rid of them unless they break the law or go mad. UKIP actually wanted to introduce a recall system.
Watford_R said:
PR would be a disaster:

- lunatic parties getting in
- no majorities

Is it really in the country's best interests to have 15% (or whatever it is) UKIP MPs?

Maybe a mix of the two systems.
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They manage pretty stable and sensible government in other places with it. It makes politicians talk to each other and compromise, actually stops the ideological extremes. But perhaps we aren't the right kind of people for it. Matt put his finger on it earlier, there is something wrong about voting for a national government and a local representative with one X. I voted Labour, because Swords told me too (and it didn't hurt that much) but I really detested their local candidate. Tricky.
 
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rangercol said:
Is it wrong to quite fancy Emily whats-her-name?
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I discovered last night over here that BBC World is now a subscription service (used to be part of part of my cable package), actually couldn't find any free coverage, over than the BBC website.

this one?

Emily Maitlis, 44, is the 2015 Election Presenter for the BBC

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or this one?

Emily Thornberry, re-elected tonight as MP for Islington South and Finsbury

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Kilburn said:
I discovered last night over here that BBC World is now a subscription service (used to be part of part of my cable package), actually couldn't find any free coverage, over than the BBC website.

this one?

Emily Maitlis, 44, is the 2015 Election Presenter for the BBC

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or this one?

Emily Thornberry, re-elected tonight as MP for Islington South and Finsbury

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