Off Topic The Politics Thread

[Staines R's]

Blair starting a war in Iraq was worse, but any MP calling him scum would have been censored, in the House by the Speaker, outside it, hopefully by his or her Party Leader.

But they wouldn’t have been wrong though….

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

And as it’s been mentioned on here already today…we can now go about kicking out the Tories

In theory, yes. In reality, probably not and definitely not if the opposition is fractured and preferring to stay in opposition than accept we’ll never have a genuinely left-wing government. Circa 40% of those who do vote will vote Tory if Johnson or whoever is PM by then broke into their house and shat on their kids. Very few voters actually make a difference in our chosen type of democracy.

 

[Staines R's]

In theory, yes. In reality, probably not and definitely not if the opposition is fractured and preferring to stay in opposition than accept we’ll never have a genuinely left-wing government. Circa 40% of those who do vote will vote Tory if Johnson or whoever is PM by then broke into their house and shat on their kids. Very few voters actually make a difference in our chosen type of democracy.

So it is possible….and I personally don’t see any reason why it isn’t possible. Working people will soon see what the Tories really are, like they have seen the Labour Party for what they have now become.
It will happen

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

So it is possible….and I personally don’t see any reason why it isn’t possible. Working people will soon see what the Tories really are, like they have seen the Labour Party for what they have now become.
It will happen

Anything is possible. I once saw Marc Nygaard smash in a half volley from 30-odd yards.

But to get the millions of “working people” required to give enough of a **** about the two main parties to both vote at all and vote for the same alternative under an FPTP system is like hoping for 46 Nygaard half volley goals a season. The more successful it is, the more it puts a dent in Labour while barely laying a glove on the Tories.

 

[Staines R's]

Anything is possible. I once saw Marc Nygaard smash in a half volley from 30-odd yards.

But to get the millions of “working people” required to give enough of a **** about the two main parties to both vote at all and vote for the same alternative under an FPTP system is like hoping for 46 Nygaard half volley goals a season. The more successful it is, the more it puts a dent in Labour while barely laying a glove on the Tories.

So what in your opinion is the other option ?

 

[Steelmonkey]

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New incentive scheme released to attract HGV drivers

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

So what in your opinion is the other option ?

Appreciate that Labour is far from perfect but it’s the only alternative in the system we have.

 

[Staines R's]

Appreciate that Labour is far from perfect but it’s the only alternative in the system we have.

Fair enough but that’s where we disagree then…….

 

[Staines R's]

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And I thought we had some middle class posters

 

[Saf]

If this was the plan all along, why are we begging the foreign workers to come back? We've recently been flying fruit-pickers in from Barbados, Nepal and the Philippines, and now they're desperately trying to get EU lorry drivers back. We''ll be buying our Christmas turkeys from France and Poland because farmers here can't get workers for their farms. It's not so much about cheap labour as available labour. We don't have enough people to do the jobs.

British workers getting paid more is welcome, but we're going to very soon see prices rising faster than wages. Rampant inflation is just around the corner, just as the government is cutting Universal Credit by £20 a week. The poorest will be hit hardest as always.

Nice spin. I've come to expect no less from the Anti-Tory brigade. The government are returning the Universal Credit payments back to normal, now. Folk on benefits were handed an unexpected, but welcomed, extra £20 a week to help them through the pandemic. We have to be realistic and understand the time was always going to come when we started to tighten our purse strings and claw back some of the money that Socialist Sunak went overboard on. Benefits returning to normal and a tax rise is the result of these actions. For what it's worth, the Conservatives got it wrong with the uplift to peoples benefits. During lockdown folks savings mainly went up and not down. Nobody on benefits needed any extra money to get through it. It should have been held back until now when we are coming out of the lockdown and prices are rising.

Farmers can't get workers for their farms because they aren't advertising the jobs that they have available. They want to continue underpaying foreign workers rather than paying the British people a decent wage. You really haven't been paying attention, have you?

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[BobbyD]

So it is possible….and I personally don’t see any reason why it isn’t possible. Working people will soon see what the Tories really are, like they have seen the Labour Party for what they have now become.
It will happen

Its the same reason you think the EU cannot be reformed from the inside stainesy

 

[Staines R's]

Its the same reason you think the EU cannot be reformed from the inside stainesy

You have a good point Bobby…..however at least I can try and do something about it here.

 

[Stroller]

Nice spin. I've come to expect no less from the Anti-Tory brigade. The government are returning the Universal Credit payments back to normal, now. Folk on benefits were handed an unexpected, but welcomed, extra £20 a week to help them through the pandemic. We have to be realistic and understand the time was always going to come when we started to tighten our purse strings and claw back some of the money that Socialist Sunak went overboard on. Benefits returning to normal and a tax rise is the result of these actions. For what it's worth, the Conservatives got it wrong with the uplift to peoples benefits. During lockdown folks savings mainly went up and not down. Nobody on benefits needed any extra money to get through it. It should have been held back until now when we are coming out of the lockdown and prices are rising.

Farmers can't get workers for their farms because they aren't advertising the jobs that they have available. They want to continue underpaying foreign workers rather than paying the British people a decent wage. You really haven't been paying attention, have you?

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You're quite right, I haven't been paying attention to Isobel Oakeshott and if you think that people on Universal Credit should dip into their savings, I really don't wish to pay any further attention to you either.

 

[Staines R's]

You're quite right, I haven't been paying attention to Isobel Oakeshott and I really don't wish to pay any further attention to you either.

The thing is though Strolls….he’s got a point. You can hide your head in the sand as deep as you like but there’s a lot of truth in what he has said (as the clip shows)

 

[Stroller]

The thing is though Strolls….he’s got a point. You can hide your head in the sand as deep as you like but there’s a lot of truth in what he has said (as the clip shows)

I don't hold any particular candle for turkey farmers, Stainesy. This bloke thinks that Sunak is a socialist and that people on Universal Credit should be dipping into their savings. Strange bedfellows you have.

 

[Saf]

You're quite right, I haven't been paying attention to Isobel Oakeshott and if you think that people on Universal Credit should dip into their savings, I really don't wish to pay any further attention to you either.

I don't. Stop lying

 

[Staines R's]

I don't hold any particular candle for turkey farmers, Stainesy. This bloke thinks that Sunak is a socialist and that people on Universal Credit should be dipping into their savings. Strange bedfellows you have.

But that isn’t what he’s saying though Strolls. Agree with you about the Turkey Farmer……he’s obviously a ****

 

[bobmid]

Have you not seen PMQs recently mate ? The whole lot are like a bunch of school kids in primary school. Decorum really ain’t a word I’d use for any of them

Here here

 

[Saf]

I said people on benefits didn't need any extra money during the lockdown. On a separate issue, I said folks savings mainly went up and not down during lockdown. I never mentioned anybody employed/unemployed dipping into their savings. Let's keep this factual, please.

The reason I call the chancellor Socialist Sunak is because I believe he spent too much during the pandemic and most of it was wasted cash.
Eat out to help out. Never seen the point in that and it will have cost the taxpayer a fortune.
£20 a week extra for UC. I never understood that because it wasn't needed. Now, they're removing it at a time when all of our bills are on the rise. This should have been the time to give people extra money. The Conservatives got that back to front. They've got it wrong.
Furlough scheme and grants for businesses. Pretty much everybody I know who was able to take advantage with that went on to take a bit of a liberty with it, tbh. Good idea but far to relaxed and carefree with it.

 

[bobmid]

Nice spin. I've come to expect no less from the Anti-Tory brigade. The government are returning the Universal Credit payments back to normal, now. Folk on benefits were handed an unexpected, but welcomed, extra £20 a week to help them through the pandemic. We have to be realistic and understand the time was always going to come when we started to tighten our purse strings and claw back some of the money that Socialist Sunak went overboard on. Benefits returning to normal and a tax rise is the result of these actions. For what it's worth, the Conservatives got it wrong with the uplift to peoples benefits. During lockdown folks savings mainly went up and not down. Nobody on benefits needed any extra money to get through it. It should have been held back until now when we are coming out of the lockdown and prices are rising.

Farmers can't get workers for their farms because they aren't advertising the jobs that they have available. They want to continue underpaying foreign workers rather than paying the British people a decent wage. You really haven't been paying attention, have you?

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Sweet jesus theres some ****e in that post.