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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Steelmonkey said:
If he'd been in Romania he'd be hailed as a hero...and rightly so. The police would've done **** all if he'd called them. What did they expect him to do, watch the wee ****s drive away with his property and do nothing? I certainly would have gave chase if the opportunity arose.

The police know that they are on a hiding with this, which is why they are peddling stories about his "mindless actions"

"The messages prompted the police to respond, urging people to treat Mr Molloy's grieving family with respect" - they wouldn't have been grieving if the scroat had kept his theiving hands to himself.

He'll be out in five years, still too long IMO. I wonder what sentence he would have received had he been British.......
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Oh, you think there may be a racial element to the sentence?
 
West WindsR said:
10 years does seem an awful long time but then I think that about the punishment for a lot of crimes. I guess he’ll be out sooner but still his life is pretty ****ed. Assuming he does five or six that’s probably about right. Then again I wouldn’t argue against 1-2 years either.

You know though there’s a pretty good chance you’re killing someone when you make that move which I guess makes it worse than if a car was chasing another car.
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I think when people see someone nicking their precious possession, they are not always rationale in what they do to get it back. That doesn't seem to be taken into account here. The court is simply worried about the vigilante element. He's been made an example of.
 
Steelmonkey said:
If he'd been in Romania he'd be hailed as a hero...and rightly so. The police would've done **** all if he'd called them. What did they expect him to do, watch the wee ****s drive away with his property and do nothing? I certainly would have gave chase if the opportunity arose.

The police know that they are on a hiding with this, which is why they are peddling stories about his "mindless actions"

"The messages prompted the police to respond, urging people to treat Mr Molloy's grieving family with respect" - they wouldn't have been grieving if the scroat had kept his theiving hands to himself.

He'll be out in five years, still too long IMO. I wonder what sentence he would have received had he been British.......
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that's the sort of bullshit justice we get nowadays folks.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
I've never said Brexit was all about immigration, but it definitely does include controlling borders and giving Parliament the right to determine population numbers, including those numbers coming in.

I thought you said the EU was going to give fishing away in order to get LPF. No sign of that whatsoever. In fact, fishing is proving to be a most problematic issue (as I predicted), because the UK insists it must control its waters post Brexit, and north coast EU states including France are demanding continuity of fishing for the benefit of their local communities.
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It looks like it's down to whether the EU can slap Napoleon Macron down or not.
His posturing could be what stops a deal.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...RAMS-road.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK

Be interested in any views on this. Social media is coming out in favour of the bloke who had his motorbike stolen, but he's doing a 10 year stretch.

My view - sentence much too long. He's being published partly for failures of the police whom everyone knows stood virtually zero chance of recovering the bike. If lucky, he'd have been given a crime number and that's it
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As someone who had their motorbike stolen a few years ago I can understand exactly how that guy felt and have to admit I'd be tempted to do the same in such a situation. The police were a total bunch of arseholes in my case initially contacting me by phone demanding I went to the local nick to file a statement and chasing me up during the day while I was at work. I eventually gave them the statement that evening and two days later received a letter stating the case was closed due to lack of evidence, apparently their interest was to get the file closed on the last day of the month for whatever reason. They seem to think a crime number is all anyone is interested in.

In My case the bike was never recovered and almost certainly sold to parts merchants who supply backstreet workshops, the insurance eventually paid up and that was it but if I'd ever seen someone riding it I'm sure I'd have gone after them...
 
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Just had notification by my insurers of a big rise in thefts of cars like mine, so maybe it'll be me being sentenced to 10 years next....
 
Sooperhoop said:
As someone who had their motorbike stolen a few years ago I can understand exactly how that guy felt and have to admit I'd be tempted to do the same in such a situation. The police were a total bunch of arseholes in my case initially contacting me by phone demanding I went to the local nick to file a statement and chasing me up during the day while I was at work. I eventually gave them the statement that evening and two days later received a letter stating the case was closed due to lack of evidence, apparently their interest was to get the file closed on the last day of the month for whatever reason. They seem to think a crime number is all anyone is interested in.

In My case the bike was never recovered and almost certainly sold to parts merchants who supply backstreet workshops, the insurance eventually paid up and that was it but if I'd ever seen someone riding it I'm sure I'd have gone after them...
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Meanwhile idiots drive around watching video on their iphone, kill a schoolchild and are unlucky if they get three years
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...RAMS-road.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK

Be interested in any views on this. Social media is coming out in favour of the bloke who had his motorbike stolen, but he's doing a 10 year stretch.

My view - sentence much too long. He's being published partly for failures of the police whom everyone knows stood virtually zero chance of recovering the bike. If lucky, he'd have been given a crime number and that's it
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Tricky one - you've got to sympathise with the chap for losing his rag and going after them, especially when there were loads of videos of the police doing that to acid attackers not so long ago. It's a natural human instinct to chase them.

On the other hand, he has taken actions which caused another man to die, albeit unintentionally.

Seems fair that he was found guilty for manslaughter, and assuming he only serves half of the 10 years, 5 years doesn't seem wildly wide of what I'd think is fair. Agree that the sentences for dangerous driving can seem odd - they also seem to vary hugely.
 
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kiwiqpr said:
gretas trying to pull a Corbyn
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Wonder what the motivation is to bring up a dig at a teen girl is from a year ago? Seems odd to me and not exactly relevant with current politics
 
Quite Possibly Raving said:
Tricky one - you've got to sympathise with the chap for losing his rag and going after them, especially when there were loads of videos of the police doing that to acid attackers not so long ago. It's a natural human instinct to chase them.

On the other hand, he has taken actions which caused another man to die, albeit unintentionally.

Seems fair that he was found guilty for manslaughter, and assuming he only serves half of the 10 years, 5 years doesn't seem wildly wide of what I'd think is fair. Agree that the sentences for dangerous driving can seem odd - they also seem to vary hugely.
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Sentence seems to high to me, but then I don't know all the facts. It's interesting that the DPP originally charged him with murder so perhaps there was an element of malice and retribution in what he did, rather than just to recover the bike
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
Sentence seems to high to me, but then I don't know all the facts. It's interesting that the DPP originally charged him with murder so perhaps there was an element of malice and retribution in what he did, rather than just to recover the bike
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No winners out of this for sure

One man dead, one badly injured and one incarcerated at significant cost to the tax payer - all over a motorbike worth £450
 
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rangercol said:
It looks like it's down to whether the EU can slap Napoleon Macron down or not.
His posturing could be what stops a deal.
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He's already been slapped down,with Covid according to the Guardian, and after meetings with his own government officials and EU heads of Government. Track and trace in operation. Rather confirms my opinion that attempting to agree/do Brexit in the middle of this pandemic is utterly irresponsible. It should be postponed until it's over, most likely not until most people in Europe are successfully vaccinated.
 
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