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Surely Strolls post was more in respect to Cleverly's obvious subservience to Johnson? rather than his race. I've not read Johnson's article so don't know if what Cleverly said is accurate (suspect it will come down to whatever people want to believe) but the Johnson he describes certainly isn't the Johnson I'm aware of.

2 questions:

1. Could Strolls have used the term "Uncle Tom" if Cleverly was white?

2. Do you think it is acceptable to call a black person a choc-ice, because this is the contemporary equivalent of calling a black person an "Uncle Tom"
 
Interesting you should say this, Uber, and that Stroller "likes" your post. Because Cleverly made a similar point and Stroller called him an "Uncle Tom" for saying it

It might not be racist in Pidgin, but it is in English. Look it up. Johnson apologised for it at the weekend, so why did Cleverly feel the need to try and excuse it? Perhaps they thought that the justification would carry more weight coming from a black man.
 
Surely Strolls post was more in respect to Cleverly's obvious subservience to Johnson? rather than his race. I've not read Johnson's article so don't know if what Cleverly said is accurate (suspect it will come down to whatever people want to believe) but the Johnson he describes certainly isn't the Johnson I'm aware of.
I think Cleverly's race is actually significant in this case.
 
Just seen Sky has made a story about France getting new hot weather records at 45

Silly ****s it’s 47 in my hamlet now and regularly hits 45 every week in the summer down here

Talk about drama ****
I love 43 it’s why I live here
 
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Meanwhile, Teresa May has been revisiting the Salisbury theatre production and telling the Russians off again. Good for you Teresa, it's not like you've been found guilty of doing anything to harm innocent lives recently. I wonder, could this be a ramping up of anti Russian feeling ahead of choosing sides in the Iran bullying event?
 
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Meanwhile, Teresa May has been revisiting the Salisbury theatre production and telling the Russians off again. Good for you Teresa, it's not like you've been found guilty of doing anything to harm innocent lives recently. I wonder, could this be a ramping up of anti Russian feeling ahead of choosing sides in the Iran bullying event?

There will be street parties when that **** dies.
 
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2 questions:

1. Could Strolls have used the term "Uncle Tom" if Cleverly was white?

2. Do you think it is acceptable to call a black person a choc-ice, because this is the contemporary equivalent of calling a black person an "Uncle Tom"
Point taken, I'll admit I was unfamiliar with the term 'Uncle Tom' had to Google it.

Re point 2 of course not, again not really a term I've come across. But I am a country bumpkin.

Perhaps it's just my naivety, I didn't really see Cleverly's race being relevant it was more his fawning 'I've been a Boris supporter since 2008' type stuff that would make me question what he said.
 
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Point taken, I'll admit I was unfamiliar with the term 'Uncle Tom' had to Google it.

Re point 2 of course not, again not really a term I've come across. But I am a country bumpkin.

Perhaps it's just my naivety, I didn't really see Cleverly's race being relevant it was more his fawning 'I've been a Boris supporter since 2008' type stuff that would make me question what he said.

Cleverly's defence of Johnson's racist article was pathetic, but as a black man himself he was perfect for the job. He should be ashamed of himself.
 
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IpsosMORI’s Ben Page has tweeted out a handy chart compiling the worst net satisfaction ratings ever scored by Leaders of the Opposition since their records began in the 70s. Turns out the absolute boy is the absolute worst:
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Corbyn even beats the hapless Michael Foot with a whopping -58% net satisfaction rating. That won’t bother him half as much as the fact that the person at the opposite end of the table is none other his arch-nemesis, Tony Blair…
 
EU signs a big new trade treaty with Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay. 20 years of negotiations. Presumably Boris will work his magic and we will have something similar, but better, by Christmas.
 
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EU signs a big new trade treaty with Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay. 20 years of negotiations. Presumably Boris will work his magic and we will have something similar, but better, by Christmas.

How did we ever manage without the wonderful EU?
 
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Piers Morgan‏Verified account@piersmorgan 5h5 hours ago
Putin trying so hard not to laugh at May’s ‘I’m VERY angry with you Vladimir’ death stare.
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A yougov poll finds 14% of people think Boris Johnson is honest and of good moral character. Mental health really is a major issue in today's society!
 
The unbelievable hypocrisy of the Remoaner elite
In order to prevent No Deal ‘chaos’, establishment Remainers are now threatening to bring about... chaos.
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For three years, Remoaners in the political establishment have been issuing dire and ever-more hysterical warnings about life as we know it coming to a standstill if there is a No Deal Brexit. So they have come up with a plan to stall and thwart a No Deal Brexit by… bringing the country to a standstill.
Yes, their latest wheeze – and it’s a wheeze that exposes the undiluted hypocrisy that motors so many of these anti-democratic agitators against the referendum result of 2016 – is to offset the alleged chaos of a No Deal Brexit by generating their own kind of chaos. This is how determined they are to trash the votes of millions of people and maintain the status quo that vast numbers of us made it clear we want to change.
The plan, being proposed by Tory arch Remainer Dominic Grieve and Labour arch Remainer Margaret Beckett, is to make it impossible for the government to fund everyday life in the UK. These two, backed by other Brexit-haters in parliament, have tabled amendments to the system that authorises government spending, which would prevent four government departments – education, housing and local government, work and pensions, and international development – from using their budgets in the event of a Boris-backed No Deal.
In short, if Boris Johnson becomes PM and tries to push through a No Deal Brexit – something he occasionally hints at – then Remoaner wreckers would aim to bring about a government shutdown that would make vast areas of people’s daily lives a misery.
Schooling, housing issues, the oversight of local community life, issues to do with the payment of pensions, buses, bin collections, the payment of home helps who assist house-bound elderly people – so much of life could potentially be impacted upon by this cynical block on certain departments’ ability to spend money.
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What makes it even worse is that these opponents of Brexit know that their actions wouldn’t necessarily stop a No Deal Brexit from going through, but they hope, in the words of a sympathetic New Statesman, that it would ‘make a No Deal Brexit still more chaotic’. All their blather about not wanting Britain to be plunged into chaos by Brexit, and now they will happily plunge Britain into chaos in order to prevent Brexit.
This plan – even the fact that elite Remoaners are contemplating it – is very revealing. First, it confirms that these people are not, as they constantly claim, merely worried about the wellbeing of ordinary people in Brexit Britain. Rather, their overarching, obsessive aim is the same as it has been for three years: to stop Brexit from happening. It’s all they care about.
Secondly, it utterly explodes all their fear-mongering and politicised hysteria about No Deal Brexit. It confirms that was all just propaganda designed to scare Brits out of their commitment to Brexit. That these people are now contemplating the very scenario they said us Brexiteers would bring about – government mayhem – shows that for them ‘chaos’ is just a political tool to be wielded against Brexit.
And thirdly, it shows what those of us who believe in democracy are up against. We are up against a political class that will stop at nothing to prevent the UK from making a clean, full break with the European Union. They will bring about hardship, hamper essential government activity, and trash democracy itself, all in pursuit of propping up a rotten status quo that the people have clearly rejected. These people are serious about trampling all over the democratic will – supporters of democracy must get serious too.
 
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The unbelievable hypocrisy of the Remoaner elite
In order to prevent No Deal ‘chaos’, establishment Remainers are now threatening to bring about... chaos.
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Brendan O'Neill
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28th June 2019
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For three years, Remoaners in the political establishment have been issuing dire and ever-more hysterical warnings about life as we know it coming to a standstill if there is a No Deal Brexit. So they have come up with a plan to stall and thwart a No Deal Brexit by… bringing the country to a standstill.
Yes, their latest wheeze – and it’s a wheeze that exposes the undiluted hypocrisy that motors so many of these anti-democratic agitators against the referendum result of 2016 – is to offset the alleged chaos of a No Deal Brexit by generating their own kind of chaos. This is how determined they are to trash the votes of millions of people and maintain the status quo that vast numbers of us made it clear we want to change.
The plan, being proposed by Tory arch Remainer Dominic Grieve and Labour arch Remainer Margaret Beckett, is to make it impossible for the government to fund everyday life in the UK. These two, backed by other Brexit-haters in parliament, have tabled amendments to the system that authorises government spending, which would prevent four government departments – education, housing and local government, work and pensions, and international development – from using their budgets in the event of a Boris-backed No Deal.
In short, if Boris Johnson becomes PM and tries to push through a No Deal Brexit – something he occasionally hints at – then Remoaner wreckers would aim to bring about a government shutdown that would make vast areas of people’s daily lives a misery.
Schooling, housing issues, the oversight of local community life, issues to do with the payment of pensions, buses, bin collections, the payment of home helps who assist house-bound elderly people – so much of life could potentially be impacted upon by this cynical block on certain departments’ ability to spend money.
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What makes it even worse is that these opponents of Brexit know that their actions wouldn’t necessarily stop a No Deal Brexit from going through, but they hope, in the words of a sympathetic New Statesman, that it would ‘make a No Deal Brexit still more chaotic’. All their blather about not wanting Britain to be plunged into chaos by Brexit, and now they will happily plunge Britain into chaos in order to prevent Brexit.
This plan – even the fact that elite Remoaners are contemplating it – is very revealing. First, it confirms that these people are not, as they constantly claim, merely worried about the wellbeing of ordinary people in Brexit Britain. Rather, their overarching, obsessive aim is the same as it has been for three years: to stop Brexit from happening. It’s all they care about.
Secondly, it utterly explodes all their fear-mongering and politicised hysteria about No Deal Brexit. It confirms that was all just propaganda designed to scare Brits out of their commitment to Brexit. That these people are now contemplating the very scenario they said us Brexiteers would bring about – government mayhem – shows that for them ‘chaos’ is just a political tool to be wielded against Brexit.
And thirdly, it shows what those of us who believe in democracy are up against. We are up against a political class that will stop at nothing to prevent the UK from making a clean, full break with the European Union. They will bring about hardship, hamper essential government activity, and trash democracy itself, all in pursuit of propping up a rotten status quo that the people have clearly rejected. These people are serious about trampling all over the democratic will – supporters of democracy must get serious too.
Yawn.