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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
bobmid said:
I dont see this intransigent attitude you describe by the EU. Our government put a deal forward, the 27 member countries agreed to it. We then decided we wanted something different. The EU said it was already agreed and wouldnt reopen the agreement. We have ****ed up not them. As for all the brexiteers on here saying their preferred first option is a deal with a time limited backstop, I was under the impression that leave meant leave. Where was the mention of a deal and the backstop issue when voting. Only Col on here has stuck to his guns and wants out, I respect his honesty more than people who pretended they voted for this or that.
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Stroller said:
The intransigence is all Theresa May's it seems to me.

Parliament has already indicated that it won't allow a No Deal exit on 29th March and has voted overwhelmingly for an Article 50 extension should May's deal fail again. It seems highly likely therefore that an extension will be sought from the EU, which they would almost certainly grant. The issue then is, for how long, and what do we do next? The increasingly resurgent Macron has said that an extension should only be granted if there is a new plan, and it seems to me that the only new plan which would solve the Irish border question and break the deadlock is permanent CU membership, which would be a sensible compromise.
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We can agree that May's negotiating has been utterly woeful. She agreed the backstop, subject to Parliamentary agreement. Parliament voted against it in enormous numbers.

As I say, it's not reasonable for any sovereign country to bind itself in perpetuity. I doubt it is even legal for one parliament to bind the hands of their successors forever.

If the EU won't shift, we go to WTO and have unshackled ability to trade around the world, which is where all the growth is.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
We can agree that May's negotiating has been utterly woeful. She agreed the backstop, subject to Parliamentary agreement. Parliament voted against it in enormous numbers.

As I say, it's not reasonable for any sovereign country to bind itself in perpetuity. I doubt it is even legal for one parliament to bind the hands of their successors forever.

If the EU won't shift, we go to WTO and have unshackled ability to trade around the world, which is where all the growth is.
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It's not the EU that has to shift, it's us.
 
bobmid said:
I dont see this intransigent attitude you describe by the EU. Our government put a deal forward, the 27 member countries agreed to it. We then decided we wanted something different. The EU said it was already agreed and wouldnt reopen the agreement. We have ****ed up not them. As for all the brexiteers on here saying their preferred first option is a deal with a time limited backstop, I was under the impression that leave meant leave. Where was the mention of a deal and the backstop issue when voting. Only Col on here has stuck to his guns and wants out, I respect his honesty more than people who pretended they voted for this or that.
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Not just Col, Bob........I know what I voted for and the reasons why and have stuck to that.
There has been no dishonesty on my part
 
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Staines R's said:
Not just Col, Bob........I know what I voted for and the reasons why and have stuck to that.
There has been no dishonesty on my part
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I have never shifted in my stance. I voted to leave and left it in the hands of the politicians. They have let everyone down. It was clear from day one that no deal was always the default option. I wanted a free trade deal but if the EU can't manage to sort that then we go WTO. I think it's just another remoaner ploy to drag things out.
The backstop is just a weapon to tie us into the CU and nothing else.
 
ELLERS said:
I have never shifted in my stance. I voted to leave and left it in the hands of the politicians. They have let everyone down. It was clear from day one that no deal was always the default option. I wanted a free trade deal but if the EU can't manage to sort that then we go WTO. I think it's just another remoaner ploy to drag things out.
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you voted for no deal, why should they give us any deal?
 
Big Ern said:
you voted for no deal, why should they give us any deal?
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The term 'no deal' is a bit of a fallacy because if we left the EU on WTO or May's deal we would still be dealing with the EU. People voted to leave the EU, that's what we need to do. It doesn't mean we stop talking or trading with them.
 
ELLERS said:
The term 'no deal' is a bit of a fallacy because if we left the EU on WTO or May's deal we would still be dealing with the EU. People voted to leave the EU, that's what we need to do. It doesn't mean we stop talking or trading with them.
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I didn't say we wouldn't, it'll simply cost more.
 
ELLERS said:
Only if they make it cost more. If they do we will start finding other cheaper trading partners. It's called business, something that the EU doesn't understand.
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people buy German because of the quality and workmanship, not the price.
 
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