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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

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    We can agree that May's negotiating has been utterly woeful. She agreed the backstop, subject to Parliamentary agreement. Parliament voted against it in enormous numbers.

    As I say, it's not reasonable for any sovereign country to bind itself in perpetuity. I doubt it is even legal for one parliament to bind the hands of their successors forever.

    If the EU won't shift, we go to WTO and have unshackled ability to trade around the world, which is where all the growth is.
     
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  2. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Spot on.
     
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  3. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    It's not the EU that has to shift, it's us.
     
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  4. Staines R's

    Staines R's Well-Known Member

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    Not just Col, Bob........I know what I voted for and the reasons why and have stuck to that.
    There has been no dishonesty on my part
     
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  5. Goldhawk-Road

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    Parliament tasked May to go back to the EU to get an end date to the backstop. The EU is saying, no we won't shift
     
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  6. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Why is a deal only one way?
     
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  7. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    People voted to leave with no deal so, in reality, the EU is trying to give them what they wanted.
     
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  8. ELLERS

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    I have never shifted in my stance. I voted to leave and left it in the hands of the politicians. They have let everyone down. It was clear from day one that no deal was always the default option. I wanted a free trade deal but if the EU can't manage to sort that then we go WTO. I think it's just another remoaner ploy to drag things out.
    The backstop is just a weapon to tie us into the CU and nothing else.
     
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  9. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    you voted for no deal, why should they give us any deal?
     
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  10. Goldhawk-Road

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    Because the UK is a huge customer of the big EU members, and a no deal is predicted to cause the loss of 100,000 manufacturing jobs in Germany alone
     
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  11. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    The term 'no deal' is a bit of a fallacy because if we left the EU on WTO or May's deal we would still be dealing with the EU. People voted to leave the EU, that's what we need to do. It doesn't mean we stop talking or trading with them.
     
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  12. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    They'll still sell us their stuff, it'll just be more expensive to buy.
     
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  13. ELLERS

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    What's your point?
     
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  14. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    I didn't say we wouldn't, it'll simply cost more.
     
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  15. Goldhawk-Road

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    Which makes their goods uncompetitive, so UK consumers buy elsewhere. US, Japan, S Korea etc
     
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  16. ELLERS

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    Only if they make it cost more. If they do we will start finding other cheaper trading partners. It's called business, something that the EU doesn't understand.
     
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  17. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    That leavers don't seem to know what they voted for, they simply swallowed rhetoric without bothering to check any of the facts.
     
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  18. ELLERS

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    You beat me to it. I don't think people grasp basic commerce.
     
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  19. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    people buy German because of the quality and workmanship, not the price.
     
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  20. ELLERS

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    <doh> oh god we have another one.
     
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