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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
people buy German because of the quality and workmanship, not the price.
But you just said things would cost more. if 10% tariff was put on a German car and according to project fear we will be in a recession and skint... then I think people will go for a cheaper option. Makes sense really, you only buy what you can afford or you end up in debt... Labour showed us this.
 
Parliament tasked May to go back to the EU to get an end date to the backstop. The EU is saying, no we won't shift

An end to the backstop that we asked for in the first place, and that wouldn't be a backstop at all if it's time-limited? They're laughing at us.

You blithely say that if the EU don't shift, it's WTO on 29th March, as if WTO is something different than No Deal. As I've already pointed out, No Deal won't happen on 29th March because there will be an extension to Article 50. It could still happen at the end of the extension of course, but it will be encumbent upon us to come up with something new to avoid it - permanent CU membership being the obvious answer. WTO doesn't solve the Irish border issue.
 
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An end to the backstop that we asked for in the first place, and that wouldn't be a backstop at all if it's time-limited? They're laughing at us.

You blithely say that if the EU don't shift, it's WTO on 29th March, as if WTO is something different than No Deal. As I've already pointed out, No Deal won't happen on 29th March because there will be an extension to Article 50. It could still happen at the end of the extension of course, but it will be encumbent upon us to come up with something new to avoid it, permanent CU membership being the obvious answer. WTO doesn't solve the Irish border issue.

Who is "we" asked for? Parliament didn't ask for it. T May may have done, but it was conditional on Parliamentary approval.

You sound very certain about an extension. The EU have already allocated all our votes in the EU Parliament - an extension means we have a right to vote in the May elections. The EU won't like that. From all I have heard, technology will solve the Irish border. It's a problem for the EU not the UK. The UK won't put up a hard border.
 
An end to the backstop that we asked for in the first place, and that wouldn't be a backstop at all if it's time-limited? They're laughing at us.

You blithely say that if the EU don't shift, it's WTO on 29th March, as if WTO is something different than No Deal. As I've already pointed out, No Deal won't happen on 29th March because there will be an extension to Article 50. It could still happen at the end of the extension of course, but it will be encumbent upon us to come up with something new to avoid it - permanent CU membership being the obvious answer. WTO doesn't solve the Irish border issue.
A CU is what you want Stroller and I would even go as far as saying you would ignore a 17.4m democratic vote to stay in the EU? You are sounding like Vince Cable every day. Which is a shame as I would hope you are better than him.
You maybe incorrect about a no deal not happening because if May's deal gets voted down (which I think it will, even with a useless paper from the EU) then the House will have to decided on a 'no deal' and at present the majority will vote that down however when it then comes to an extension all those MP's will then have to decide if they want to go against their electorate. This is where I believe people will abstain and probably a 'no deal' will become the default.
That will give us a clean break and we can all move forward.... But then we know we will have the usual suspects putting the country down at every opportunity.
 
Who is "we" asked for? Parliament didn't ask for it. T May may have done, but it was conditional on Parliamentary approval.

I forgot to pick up on that point earlier. Whatever May signed we all knew that the House had to agree, so I don't understand peoples thinking on that?
 
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A CU is what you want Stroller and I would even go as far as saying you would ignore a 17.4m democratic vote to stay in the EU? You are sounding like Vince Cable every day. Which is a shame as I would hope you are better than him.
You maybe incorrect about a no deal not happening because if May's deal gets voted down (which I think it will, even with a useless paper from the EU) then the House will have to decided on a 'no deal' and at present the majority will vote that down however when it then comes to an extension all those MP's will then have to decide if they want to go against their electorate. This is where I believe people will abstain and probably a 'no deal' will become the default.
That will give us a clean break and we can all move forward.... But then we know we will have the usual suspects putting the country down at every opportunity.

What I want is a new referendum Ellers, but I recognise that it's unlikely to happen because more democracy wouldn't be democratic would it? Permanent CU membership seems like a reasonable compromise to me, but then we live in a polarised, black-and-white world where a compromise that honoured the original vote to Leave the EU, but avoided the worst excesses of No Deal and also preserved the Good Friday Agreement would be unthinkable according to some fanatics.
 
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What a cretin ‘Paul Crane’ must be, if he is using this picture to give a ‘we’ll all be ok because Norway is’ message. Norway is part of the EEA meaning that it is in the EU Single Market, so goods, services, money and people flow freely between it and the EU. It’s not in the Customs Union. The cost of consumer goods (including food) in Norway is 33% higher than in the UK. Norway has never been in the EU, it’s never had to de tangle itself from 40 years of laws, regulations and economic integration.

Unless of course he is making a coded and cogent plea for us to take the Norway Option.

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I have never shifted in my stance. I voted to leave and left it in the hands of the politicians. They have let everyone down. It was clear from day one that no deal was always the default option. I wanted a free trade deal but if the EU can't manage to sort that then we go WTO. I think it's just another remoaner ploy to drag things out.
The backstop is just a weapon to tie us into the CU and nothing else.

Then you are more of a fool that expected
Keep on with 17m and always ignore the 16m
To gamble with people’s lives with a no deal is just plain stupid. Remember you have 16m who wanted remain that excludes any deal

Anyone who seriously wants a no deal Brexit should be put down and I am willing to wager that there are NOT 17m who want that so dream on fool
 
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What I want is a new referendum Ellers, but I recognise that it's unlikely to happen because more democracy wouldn't be democratic would it? Permanent CU membership seems like a reasonable compromise to me, but then we live in a polarised, black-and-white world where a compromise that honoured the original vote to Leave the EU, but avoided the worst excesses of No Deal and also preserved the Good Friday Agreement would be unthinkable according to some fanatics.

mmm, I sense the sarcasm... A new referendum wouldn't sort anything would it? We have done that and need to move on, besides it would result in a bigger leave majority so what's the point?
We were told that we would be leaving the CU, so what's the point in staying in and missing out on new deals?
As for living in a 'black-and-white world', I seem to recall the Greek minister describing the EU as box tickers with no room compromise.
People just have to respect the result and implement it. Leave means leave. AS soon as it's out of the way we can all concentrate on more domestic issues.