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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

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    Congratulations to Putin. A good campaign and the future is bright.
     
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    It's difficult to know who is behind Radio Genoa, and I note NZZ doesn't know either. If you look at who follows it on Twitter, there are perfectly respectable names, MP's, journalists like Julie Burchill, Allison Pearson. Of course, Elon Musk too,owner of the platform That's the only way I, as a punter, can judge. I doubt there is a media outlet in the world that hasn't put out a misleading report, advertently or inadvertently. And no UK newspaper is impartial. So, I'll take a keener interest in Genoa as a result of your post, but at present, I don't see it any more biased than any other account, and I've certainly seen no pro Russian bias, or I'd unfollow. What Genoa reports on, is also reflected in The Times, and I imagine other newspapers.
     
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    Ha! Nice one Goldie. Unless I’ve misread your intelligence completely you know exactly what Radio Genoa is and delight in sharing it without personal comment because it backs up your worldview. Just like the other stuff from your X/Twitter feed you put on this thread. True or fake is immaterial nowadays, it seems. This, as NZZ has shown, is fake in favour of the populist right which is largely favourable to Putin. The more fear and hatred there is in Europe the better for the current Russian regime. Obviously.

    I do agree that The Times is drifting in the same direction as Radio Genoa though. Lots of articles in their News section are in fact editorial comment now. I’ve complained to them about it, but have not had a response. I wouldn’t mind if they put this stuff in the comment section, where their contributors have opinions for money and I can ignore it easily. I like a daily read and am searching for an alternative, less obviously biased paper. The Neue Zurcher Zeitung, a Swiss liberal centre right paper with a reputation for straight reporting and focus on international news would fit the bill but it only has a twice weekly selection in English. The Wall Street Journal has the best unbiased scores, but man it’s dull. Hopefully I’ll find something soon.
     
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    I don’t understand why the whole stupid thing hasn’t collapsed. I’m sure the nuts U.K. property market has a negative effect on the rest of the economy, not to mention real people’s lives.
     
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    People borrowing against the 'value' of their property actually fuels the economy, allowing them to spend money they don't have. People in the UK owed £1,836.4 billion at the end of 2023.

    Statistics Archive - The Money Charity

    Why would the government want to build the extra houses that are needed when the house price crash that might ensue would decrease personal spending and potentially cause a recession?

    It's all built on sand.
     
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    Modern capitalism in action. A fake economy!
     
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    If that’s the case then more homeowners would allow more to borrow against their property. The real deterrent to building homes is upsetting the old codgers who bought for 50p and own outright.
     
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    It is my worldview, or to be more precise, European and North American view, that mass immigration with insufficient steps by receiving nations to aid integration, has been a downward move. In the UK, it's put huge stresses on services like schools, hospitals, and, to reference Strolls's post, thrust property prices upwards particularly in London. When Labour form a government, presumably they will seek to address the shortage of homes, by invading the green belt, which, in a country that is one of the most nature-depleted in the world, is itself a retrograde step.

    I'll never support deliberately faked news, but obviously interpretations of true events may vary. Your comment about the Times is interesting. I haven't noticed it, but then I have a more right-wing view than you. UK politics used to be a fight for centre ground by the two main parties. I suspect that may be changing, and voters, being thoroughly pissed off with the Tories and unimpressed by Labour, will either look to vote for parties on either wing, or stay at home on election day. It's happening with tv news, where many viewers, frustrated by years of hearing left wing BBC journalists pretend they're impartial (until they leave the BBC and reveal their true selves eg Maitliss, Sopel, Marr etc) have made GB News increasingly popular. It's a right wing leaning station that balances the BBC's left wing bias. Of course, both will have to clean up their acts once we get into purdah with an election approaching.

    I wish you luck in finding a newspaper that is truly impartial, but I fear you are chasing a unicorn. Perhaps buy both the Telegraph and Guardian and tread the middle ground.
     
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    It's certainly the old that are benefitting from the current situation. More supply, lower prices - great for new buyers but terrible for existing owners. A realistic housing market would mean that the ridiculous levels of property 'equity' that some benefit from and borrow against just wouldn't exist.
     
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    I see an illegal has stabbed someone on the dinghy over. **** me, they're starting early now...
     
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