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  1. Staines R's

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    Don’t forget the police.....
     
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    is everything racist now
    whats a honky to do

    Being Kind to Dogs Is ‘RACIST’, University Professor Says
    February 4, 2021 Niamh Harris News, US 19 Comments


    Treating dogs humanely is racist, according to leftist university professor Katja Guenther.




    Yes, really.



    Guenther has published a book claiming that “white supremacy” is to blame for non-white people abusing animals.

    Areomagazine.com reports: In her recent book The Lives and Deaths of Shelter Animals, Katja Guenther claims that dogs are being killed because of “capitalism, anthroparchy, white supremacy and patriarchy.” She argues that allowing dogs to sleep inside is a privilege reserved for the white and wealthy and that policies against keeping dogs chained up in backyards are intended to oppress people of color by imposing “middle-class norms of animal keeping in which companion animals are considered family and treated accordingly,” which ignore the fact that people of color “are themselves trapped in poverty, may have few options for legitimate income generation and possibly rely on their dogs for … status.”

    Unfortunately Guenther’s misguided book is gaining traction. Shelter director Kristen Hassen opines that Guenther “gets it right” in concluding that “racism, classism and the caste system are at the heart of the broken animal sheltering institution.” Arguing that laws to prevent mistreatment of dogs discriminate against “anyone in the US other than white, middle class and upper-class individuals,” Sloane Hawes, Tess Hupe and Kevin Morris of the University of Denver Institute for Human-Animal Connection cite the book in their proposal to relax enforcement of animal protection laws—a proposal that threatens to reverse decades of hard-won progress.








    Intakes Reflect Service Area Demographics, Not Racism
    Guenther writes that, because of racism, the overwhelming majority of the dogs who ended up at the Baldwin Park, California shelter where she worked as a volunteer had belonged to poor people of Asian and Latino heritage and, to a lesser extent, black people. But this simply reflects the demographic make up of Baldwin Park itself. When I ran a shelter in a predominantly white community—a shelter with a higher per capita intake rate than the Los Angeles County pound system of which Baldwin Park is a part—most of those who surrendered animals were white. Indeed, of all the counties in the US with a 90% or better placement rate, the one with the highest per capita intake—over five times that of Los Angeles County—is 90% white, only 3% Latino and less than 0.5% black. In other words, the ethnicity of the people who surrender animals to shelters is largely a function of demographics, not of race.

    Guenther deliberately rejects objective evidence of this kind, admitting that “it is not possible for me to be impartial”: “I was trained in sociology, a discipline that emphasizes impartiality and the need to systematize observations and analysis in ways that distance the researcher from the researched. I deliberately turn away from these tendencies and instead embrace the messy possibilities of being a researcher with complex ties to the social setting I am analyzing.”

    At best, the book presents subjective feelings, anecdotes and even guesses as compelling evidence for its conclusions—at worst, it ignores evidence to the contrary.

    Guenther Stereotypes and Infantilizes People of Color
    Evidence shows that dogs in inner cities are neither disproportionately dangerous nor poorly treated. People in inner cities live with dogs for the same reasons as the suburban wealthy: they want companionship and social connection. Guenther’s book perpetuates unsubstantiated prejudices about the inability of people of color to provide appropriate care for their animals. And she denies their individuality by referring to all Asians, Latinos and black people as “the collective Black.”

    In Guenther’s book, moreover, white people do things; people of color have things done to them. For example, people of color who abandon their dogs in empty apartments are victims “ensnared in the legal system,” forced to leave their animals behind “under the duress of sudden eviction or deportation or arrest.” Guenther even claims that such people actually believe that what they are doing is for the best, because of “the constraints of their knowledge and resources, both of which are limited by the nexus of their class, status as immigrants, and ethnicity.”

    When a Latino man on a bicycle drops a dog “while escaping from mall security officers … after stealing a pair of Wrangler jeans,” she explains this away as the result of his “status as marginalized.” When a woman leaves her dog to die at the pound after she has finished breeding her and selling her puppies to buy drugs, it is the fault of her “status as a poorly educated queer woman of color.” Guenther laments that “rescuers … critique urban Black and Latinx communities for not seeing companion animals as sufficiently part of the family and instead seeing them as resources, whether protective (as in guarding) or financial (as in breeding or possibly fighting).”

    She appears to be arguing that if a person of color can turn a profit or build a reputation through animal exploitation that excuses animal suffering—even in the case of sadistic animal abuse: “From a class perspective, wealthy people are believed to be too ‘civilized’ to engage in barbaric activities like dogfighting, and it’s no coincidence that the only affluent person who has been publicly shamed for dogfighting in the U.S., Michael Vick, is Black, newly wealthy after growing up in poverty.”

    Dogfighting, however, is not considered barbaric because it violates the norms of wealthy people—who, after all, have historically had their own versions of animal cruelty masquerading as entertainment, such as fox hunting and pigeon shooting. Nor is dogfighting considered uncivilized because of the skin color of the organizers—many of whom are white—but because of what it does to dogs.

    At Michael Vick’s property, investigators found decomposing dogs who died by “hanging, drowning, and being slammed to death.” As one of the rescuers involved wrote,

    The details that got to me then and stay with me today involve the swimming pool that was used to kill some of the dogs. Jumper cables were clipped onto the ears of underperforming dogs, then, just like with a car, the cables were connected to the terminals of car batteries before lifting and tossing the shamed dogs into the water. Most of Vick’s dogs were small—40lbs or so—so tossing them in would’ve been fast and easy work for thick athlete arms. We don’t know how many suffered this premeditated murder, but the damage to the pool walls tells a story. It seems that while they were scrambling to escape, they scratched and clawed at the pool liner and bit at the dented aluminum sides …

    I wear some pretty thick skin during our work with dogs, but I can’t shake my minds-eye image of a little black dog splashing frantically in bloody water … screaming in pain and terror… brown eyes saucer wide and tiny black white-toed feet clawing at anything, desperate to get a hold. This death did not come quickly. The rescuer in me keeps trying to think of a way to go back in time and somehow stop this torture and pull the little dog to safety. I think I’ll be looking for ways to pull that dog out for the rest of my life.

    That—and not his skin color—is why Vick was condemned publicly along with many others—many of them white people—who have been held accountable for harming animals.

    Rescuers Perpetuate Compassion
    While Guenther explains away mistreatment if the perpetrator happens to be a person of color, she has plenty of harsh words for those trying to save animals. Day in and day out, rescuers and volunteers show tremendous courage and compassion when they visit their local pounds. At many high kill shelters, they face hostile treatment from staff and endure heartbreak at seeing animals destined for lethal injection or gas chambers. And yet they go back, again and again.

    Despite acknowledging these traumas, because most of the volunteers Guenther encountered were white, she accuses them of working to “reinscribe hierarchies of power and status within the shelter” against the non-white workers and thus “maintain existing social inequalities between humans even as they seek to help animals.” When a rescuer laments the condition of a dog “with sagging belly skin, elongated nipples, and enlarged genitalia” and expresses dismay that the former owners “confined their dog outdoors” and “used the pit bull primarily for income generation through breeding,” Guenther dismisses the criticism as “the animal practices of white rescuers.”

    On the one hand, Guenther writes that people of color should not be held responsible if they mistreat animals (“including medical neglect”) because they lead precarious lives. On the other, she criticizes rescuers for using “the animals as instruments for reproducing whiteness” when they take “the dog out of the ghetto” and give it to “the ‘right’ kind of adopters, namely those who will treat their dog as a family member and have the financial means to care for their dog at a high level for the duration of the dog’s life, for example by providing specialty-brand food, toys and beds, and extensive veterinary care should any illness or injury occur.”

    Rescuers and shelters have an obligation to the vulnerable animals they serve. They can and should focus on a potential adopter’s ability to provide for an animal’s physical and mental health, rather than on income or skin color. Guenther suggests that rescuers and shelters are obligated to place animals in knowingly unstable situations (which she problematically equates with darker skin color) or engage in the greater harm of racist behavior.

    Lack of Lifesaving Programs Explains Shelter Killings
    Larger societal factors do impact shelter outcomes. Discrimination against companion animals in rental housing increases the number of shelter intakes and is responsible for an estimated loss of over eight million adoptive homes every year. And even before the coronavirus pandemic propelled “the poverty rate into double digits,” roughly one in four pet households had difficulty affording necessary veterinary care, leading some to relinquish their animals to shelters.

    Racism has even played a role in pound killings, such as in the enactment of pit bull bans. Denver, Colorado’s breed ban, for example, was enacted after the demise of the local energy industry resulted in white flight. But many of these bans, including Denver’s, have since been repealed (21 states and hundreds of cities now expressly prohibit them) and views on pit bulls are more likely to reflect age than race. It has never been easier for shelters to adopt out pit bulls, especially to millennial and Gen Z families.

    But Guenther is wrong about the causes of shelter killing and how to prevent it. The evidence does not suggest that “everyday and sustained collisions of capitalism, anthroparchy, white supremacy and patriarchy” are to blame. It points to more mundane causes and more practical solutions. “Feral” cats impounded by the Los Angeles County pound system are killed because the director of that system opposes non-lethal sterilization. Orphaned, neonatal puppies and kittens are killed because of a lack of comprehensive foster care. And other animals are killed because of a failure to implement the services that allow shelters to achieve high placement rates. Guenther alludes to all this when she laments that “volunteers offered a significant pool of time and skills … that would have increased the success of these programs, but [staff] declined most of their help and made it very difficult for volunteers to maintain those programs that [the county] did permit.”

    But there is hope. It is far easier to compel a shelter director to implement common sense alternatives to killing than to foment a social revolution.

    Guenther Threatens to Turn Back the Clock on Animal Protection
    The most dangerous thing about Guenther’s book, however, is her view that human-animal relations are “a zero-sum political struggle involving identity markers like race.” In the early nineteenth century, cruelty to dogs was not recognized in law because they were considered property. Likewise, harming a homeless dog was not illegal because there was no property interest at stake. The animal did not matter. Guenther is once again suggesting a standard that excuses harm based on the interests of those causing it.

    For all her professed concern about hierarchies of privilege, Guenther’s prescription for human-animal relations could not be more inequitable, uncharitable and unkind. Her premise that not all animals should have the same rights and that not all humans bear the same responsibilities to those animals threatens to popularize defeatist and counterproductive dogmas of the kind that kept shelters killing animals for decades until the current generation found common sense alternatives.

    If such ideas gain traction, I fear the current moment will be remembered as a brief interlude between the ideological intransigence of two generations—both of which subordinate the rights of animals to the interests of those who harm them.
     

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    Commendable research there, Kiwi. I might have missed that story.
     
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    as Europe is being defended are other countries also sending help

    UK sends armoured vehicles to Lebanon as Isis threat festers


    Larisa Brown, Defence Editor
    Friday February 12 2021, 12.01am GMT, The Times
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    The Lebanese Armed Forces, who drove Isis out of the territory in 2017, will use the supplies at the border with Syria
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    Britain has sent 100 armoured patrol vehicles and a team of paratroopers to Lebanon to help the country patrol its borders and stop terrorists, drugs and weapons from entering Europe.

    Lieutenant General Sir John Lorimer, the UK’s senior defence adviser on the Middle East and north Africa, warned that there were “festering sores of instability” in the wider region.




    In an interview with The Times, he said bolstering Lebanon’s security would stop any spillover of the Syrian conflict and in turn make the UK safer. He made the comments as Rami Mortada, Lebanon’s top diplomat in Britain, compared Islamic State to a mutating virus.

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    He said the threat from terrorists in neighbouring Syria was still present and his country, which was experiencing economic
     
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    all part of the service
    we should all know that everything we do is racist to someone
    even being nice to dogs

    I think you can still be nice to cats without worrying too much about a backlash
     
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    Cats are a bit Tory for my liking.
     
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    Of course they are, cats own people, you can't get more Tory than that...
     
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    Now the EU screws Canada: Country runs out of Covid vaccine after Brussels seizes veto over exports
    • Canada is reliant on Europe for vaccines, with no home-grown jabs or US imports
    • But stalling supplies from Pfizer and Moderna have contributed to a slow roll-out
    • Trudeau government is under pressure for failing to get guarantees from the EU
    By Tim Stickings For Mailonline

    Published: 23:17 AEDT, 12 February 2021 | Updated: 03:43 AEDT, 13 February 2021



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    Canada has been dragged into the EU's vaccine chaos with Pfizer and Moderna both cutting back deliveries from Europe while Brussels goes to war on jab exports to rescue its own stumbling vaccine roll-out.

    With no home-grown vaccines in Canada and no jabs being shipped from the United States, the country is reliant on factories in Europe to supply the doses.

    But Moderna's next shipment will be one-third smaller than expected - with only 168,000 jabs arriving instead of 250,000 - while Pfizer deliveries have seen a month-long slowdown because of delays at a manufacturing plant in Belgium.

    A Canadian government source told the Toronto Star that the EU's new checks had hampered the delivery of Moderna supplies to countries such as Canada.

    Only 3.1 jabs per 100 people have been handed out in Canada so far, even lower than the EU's figure of 4.2 and far below America on 13.5 or Britain on 20.0.

    With Brussels now haranguing manufacturers and snooping on exports from the bloc, Canadians fear that supplies will be restricted further - with Justin Trudeau's government under pressure for failing to get written promises from the EU.

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    "The pace of Canada's vaccine programme has been even slower than the much-criticised roll-out in the EU, with both languishing far behind Britain and the United States"
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    AstraZeneca pointed to the UK's swifter action in signing a contract with the firm - after the EU also lagged behind Britain and America in agreeing a deal with Pfizer.

    While the UK and US have made strong starts to their vaccine programmes, the EU's has been widely pilloried and the pace of Canada's roll-out is even slower so far.

    Only this month did Trudeau announce plans for vaccine production to begin in Canada, and the Novavax jab set to be manufactured has yet to be approved by regulators - with the factory not expected to be ready until July.

    Canada is also set to tap into the global Covax scheme, drawing criticism for using a programme intended to help poorer countries.

    Opposition parties and anti-poverty groups such as Oxfam blasted the government after Canada became the only G7 nation to buy into the scheme.

    Through Covax, Canada is to receive 1.9 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine, in addition to 20 million doses secured directly from the British-Swedish firm.

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    • National Post.

      Like other countries, Canada is also set to start squeezing a sixth dose out of Pfizer vials which were originally labelled as containing five.
     
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    Julia Hartley-Brewer
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    New laws,
    punishment of 10 years in jail,
    no Parliamentary scrutiny,
    no Commons vote,
    published on a Friday evening ahead of Monday morning enactment.
    Yeah, sure, it's a *version* of democracy, I suppose.
    But it's looking a lot more like Chinese "democracy" every single day
     
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    It would take three years to get to court so ten inside will seem like a breeze.
     
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    Just land in kent in a dingy
    You might even get a free council house
     
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    Unfortunately, stories like this come as no surprise nowadays. Society in general is to blame, it's the world we live in and the world we have made.
     
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    Mostly, it's young black men killing other young black men. But you can't search them because Mayor Khan says its disrespectful and anyway, he's busy deciding which statues to take down.
     
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    It’s a shame that people can’t take being presented with the truth and look to blame anyone or anything but what’s there in front of their eyes.
    It needs to be talked about openly without the rabid cries of ‘racist’ when anyone dares to speak out
     
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    Wild that we absolutely had to go through with a hard Brexit mid-pandemic but now want to extend the grace period on the Irish sea border.
     
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    Well that’s any ties with Labour cut for me.
    Just joined the Workers Party of Britain.
    I know some, especially Stan (I think), despise Galloway, however most if not all their policies seem pretty good to me.
    Will see how it goes
     
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    Galloway, despite his narcissism, is a very clever politic operator. He's got his guns pointing at Sturgeon at the moment, should be an interesting few weeks north of the border...
     
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    Id been thinking of joining for a month or so now as I seem pretty much politically aligned with their views.....tonight seeing they did an interview and gave platform to Paul Embery, someone who I very much admire, really sealed the deal.
     
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    I've read some of his online stuff, he talks a lot of sense...
     
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