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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Or was it a Chelsea supporting activist? I can't remember with all these Chelsea fans about.
     
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  2. Willhoops

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    Maybe you can figure it out the next time you’re with them down Stamford Bridge.
     
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  3. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    okay wills or whatever you are this week.
     
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  4. Willhoops

    Willhoops Well-Known Member

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    whatever I am <laugh> brilliant
     
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  5. Quite Possibly Raving

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    I'm not a fan of this Government by any stretch, but I do take issue with the idea that the high death toll is all their fault and yet the success with the vaccine is all down to the NHS. (I appreciate your post was more nuanced than that, giving Government some credit for procurement).
     
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  6. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

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    Good sense.
     
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  7. Stroller

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    The government definitely deserves credit for vaccine procurement (even if it was expensive), but do you think the vaccination roll-out would have been such a success if the government had subbed it out to Serco or some other of its backers? Test and Trace failed, and continues to fail, because they wouldn't entrust it to local health authorities. I suppose you could say that they deserve some credit for not ****ing this up like they have everything else.

    The Comptroller at the National Audit Office told a parliamentary committee on Wednesday that the government didn't know the whereabouts of PPE worth £billions. The NAO is trying to work out where the PPE is because some of it may have an expiration date.
     
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  9. Quite Possibly Raving

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    :) I still think you're being a little harsh on the Government here. They have absolutely excelled on the procurement, by ordering early, ordering big, and spreading their bet. They then put pressure on the regulators to get these approved ASAP, which was a risk. They set a big and early target to reach 15m people, which the Chief Exec of the NHS pushed back on openly; the government ignored him and insisted on the 15m target by mid-February. They have provided all of the funding required to roll this out ASAP and have bent over backwards to amend regulations to get a workforce trained up quickly enough to deliver the vaccine. They took a risk in deciding to increase the gap between the first and second shot to maximise coverage. Yep, having a centralised healthcare system has been a huge help in enabling all of this, but the level of political pressure from central Government can't be ignored.

    There will be huge questions to be answered about why our death rate is so high. Some of that is because our population density is so high, because we have such a major airport, and because we have a service based economy, but that simply doesn't account for some of the major errors we've seen imo. Test and Trace being one which you cite. The vaccine roll out doesn't get the govt off the hook for those questions, but I'm also not going to let that prejudice my view of the vaccine roll out as a major success.

    As for the contracts...something dodgy as hell is going on there. It's baffling and I hope there is some explanation I'm missing. I try to take a balanced approach when I can, but it just seems overtly corrupt the number of large contracts being awarded to companies that were created yesterday, with no infrastructure, who happen to have links to the Tory Party. This from someone who was a member of the Tory Party until 24 July 2019.
     
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  10. rangercol

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    I've been thinking exactly the same.
    I like him.
     
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  11. kiwiqpr

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    I knew it
     
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  12. QPRoma

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    Not a ban. It’s called lack of mutual recognition of licenses. That is what the UK rushed to vote...
     
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    Let me put it differently. With a UK FCA authorisation you can work with UK , luxembourg (through a bilateral treaty) and Irish clients. With a Lux licenso you can cover Europe and the UK. If you were running that business what would you do ?
     
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  14. Bwood_Ranger

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    Personally I’d operate from London and moan about being treated in exactly the way I’ve demanded we be treated for years while eating langoustines but that’s just me.

    It’s great though. Anything good that happens demonstrates how strong we are outside the vicious grip of the EU and anything bad that happens is proof the the EU insist on punishing us for leaving thus justifying the belief of clueless noddies in the Home Counties.
     
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    please log in to view this image
     
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  16. kiwiqpr

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    what on earth is going on in london


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    A 19 year old has been stabbed to death during a fight near Parsons Green tube station in south-west London which has left another teenager injured.
     
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  17. Willhoops

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    Saw this on faceache

    To misquote General Melchett (of Blackadder fame) “If Brexit doesn’t work, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.”
     
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  18. Staines R's

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    I blame the PoPo........Defund them I say...that’ll sort it out.
     
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    Well....
    You can rest assured that the usual suspects will blame, in this order.....
    The Tories;
    Brexit;
    Jacob Reece Mogg;
    Boris.
     
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  20. Bwood_Ranger

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    Not that you’re right wing.
     
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