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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
All fair enough mate.

I still stand by what I see and that is the vast majority of those of a liberal left or left/far left persuation simply will not entertain any opinion that differs from theirs, especially when it's from a Tory.
Tories are reviled just because they are a Tory, with a hatred and sneering "I'm right" attitude.

It's quite repulsive to witness at times.

By the way, I never said I'd vote for Boris.
I'll struggle to vote for any of these twats in a GE.
Yes, you are right, there is a sneering attitude in play, most evidently from the liberal left. I think it cuts both ways though.
Great! So no end to the politics of hate and division then?
Not as far as I can see. Certainly under current circumstances and with the current crop of politicians. If we are going to keep on in this direction let’s do it 100%. Do you really think Johnson is capable or interested in uniting the country, healing the divisions?

Odd thing though, I think both Matt Hancock and Michael Gove have directly accused Corbyn of being anti Semitic, both outside the Commons, so no Parliamentary privilege (Gove shoehorned it into the debate the other night, when they were discussing Islamophobia in the Tory Party, a question which will now be ignored because the BBC let a zealot ask the question). Why doesn’t Corbyn sue them, get this over and done with? The answer may be too obvious to state........
 
I meant more over how he performs in office. He's known for his lack of attention to detail and inability to master a brief. His minders have had to lock him away during the leadership process, but he can't hide when he's PM.

Do you think there's any hope of him of achieving Brexit by 31/10 as he promised the ERG? If not, there'll be a GE and the public will have had a good chance to see how he performs. He may surprise, but I doubt it.

You're right about the detail and preparation problems. I remember about 15 years ago, he turned up on Question Time, and everyone had been discussing the subject of the day. Boris hadn't even heard about it.

He'll have a phalanx of advisors around him to keep him on the rails. I don't see him cocking anything up in the short term.

The EU won't move, because they don't think Boris can get a no deal through Parliament. So I think the 31/10 date will pass, we'll get an extension and there will be a GE. That's when it really gets interesting. Who aligns with who. Then how many of the public will support Boris in going for a no deal.
 
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By election triggered in Brecon and Radnorshire after recall petition successful following conviction of (Tory) MP Chris Davies for forging expense claims for £700 worth of photography (the idiot could have claimed this legitimately).

Majority of over 8,000, should be safe from the Brexit Party........let’s see Boris out campaigning!
 
Politicians are so reviled and in the main inept that someone with a personality, who sometimes speaks out of turn, could make an interesting change.
Obviously, if the nation's security, or the security of individuals is put at risk then he won't last long.
He will have people around him desperately trying to keep him neutral till he's elected.
Not comparing the two men in any way, but Churchill was also ridiculed before he tackled the biggest national threat that we'd faced in a good few hundred years.
Boris may just have the balls to get the Brexit job done. In that regard, I hope he's not reigned in too much.

Still find the knicker twisting from the anti-Tory brigade regarding Boris most amusing.

Good grief Col
Churchill is dead mate and most know now he was nowhere near what history has made him out to be
We were at war then and he got extremely lucky

Look no doubt Brexit will be done no problem that is also history but if a nation votes for an option then surely there must be some plan in place

Project fear has never been about fear it was sensible people raising concerns on what happens next. So in the now actually today in this moment there is still no plan
There won’t be negotiation the U.K. has missed the boat the EU is fully prepared for a no deal or any other option. If anyone thinks that our lot will somehow be heroes for delivering the Brexit outcome then imo they are very dim people.

We won’t rely on the luck of Churchill he was quickly got rid off after America and the Russians won WW2 . £39bn is not a lot of money for the EU to lose. They will recover that mark my works they are prepared and we are not .. nowhere near not even close ... it’s a blind punt and thank heavens for my family that we have a out

The U.K. does not the skill set to react with something simple like rainfall.

Churchill FFS ... did OK in history how has the U.K. done since then? That is the correct focus imo ? Accept it been nothing but decline since then
 
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You're right about the detail and preparation problems. I remember about 15 years ago, he turned up on Question Time, and everyone had been discussing the subject of the day. Boris hadn't even heard about it.

He'll have a phalanx of advisors around him to keep him on the rails. I don't see him cocking anything up in the short term.

The EU won't move, because they don't think Boris can get a no deal through Parliament. So I think the 31/10 date will pass, we'll get an extension and there will be a GE. That's when it really gets interesting. Who aligns with who. Then how many of the public will support Boris in going for a no deal.

I am guessing 43% or less
The EU are fully prepared
Wake up Goldie
Boris is a slideshow nothing more
 
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We have been guilty of this through all colour governments to be fair. We are a corrupt country, we reward failure at the top level, from bankers to football managers and punish failure at the lowest level, from homeless to disabled. Democracy has been non existent since I can remember so why people get on their high horse about it now baffles me. The next PM isn't democratically elected, neither was the one before, neither was Brown for labour. Voters generally vote on policies of parties that are then torn up once power is gained. We live in a matrix, governed by ****wits with only ambition for their personal gain!

It’s all over looking forward now to my QPR holidays in the U.K. in the future ... actually makes the matches even more exciting for me.

Sell everything while you can
 
I am guessing 43% or less
The EU are fully prepared
Wake up Goldie
Boris is a slideshow nothing more

Boris is coming in at the same time as the guard changes in the EU. Knowing him, he'll forge some sort of relationship.

I've heard several journalists say now, that behind the scenes, the EU are looking seriously at a technological solution to the border in Ireland. Success there would solve the problem and the amended withdrawal deal would get through Parliament. We'll see.
 
Good grief Col
Churchill is dead mate and most know now he was nowhere near what history has made him out to be
We were at war then and he got extremely lucky

Look no doubt Brexit will be done no problem that is also history but if a nation votes for an option then surely there must be some plan in place

Project fear has never been about fear it was sensible people raising concerns on what happens next. So in the now actually today in this moment there is still no plan
There won’t be negotiation the U.K. has missed the boat the EU is fully prepared for a no deal or any other option. If anyone thinks that our lot will somehow be heroes for delivering the Brexit outcome then imo they are very dim people.

We won’t rely on the luck of Churchill he was quickly got rid off after America and the Russians won WW2 . £39bn is not a lot of money for the EU to lose. They will recover that mark my works they are prepared and we are not .. nowhere near not even close ... it’s a blind punt and thank heavens for my family that we have a out

The U.K. does not the skill set to react with something simple like rainfall.

Churchill FFS ... did OK in history how has the U.K. done since then? That is the correct focus imo ? Accept it been nothing but decline since then

More bollocks from our resident own country hater.
America and Russia won WW2?
What a ****ing insult to all our war dead.

You open your mouth and pure ****e comes spilling out.
 
More bollocks from our resident own country hater.
America and Russia won WW2?
What a ****ing insult to all our war dead.

You open your mouth and pure ****e comes spilling out.

We won the war. We just couldn’t have won it without them and some monumental mistakes on the part of old Adolf. Probably a good thing as I doubt I’d be here typing this otherwise.
 
By election triggered in Brecon and Radnorshire after recall petition successful following conviction of (Tory) MP Chris Davies for forging expense claims for £700 worth of photography (the idiot could have claimed this legitimately).

Majority of over 8,000, should be safe from the Brexit Party........let’s see Boris out campaigning!

I wouldn't bank on it Stan, Davies has announced he will be standing as an independent further denting what is certain to be a diminishing Tory vote, could be an open goal for the Brexit Party...
 
More bollocks from our resident own country hater.
America and Russia won WW2?
What a ****ing insult to all our war dead.

You open your mouth and pure ****e comes spilling out.

No insult at all to any dead people on any side
I love my county but I bloody hate the people running it
I would insult Churchill however he sent many out to die through very bad mistakes back then

So when you talk politics please don’t mention Churchill or any war that is totally wrong imo