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[Stroller]

Oh dear Labour MP's (some senior) are defying Comedy Corbyn and are engaging in discussions....Proper leader!
Attention off May and on him now.
He really is stupid.

Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that 117 Tory MPs cast votes saying that Theresa May wasn't fit to run their party?

 

[ELLERS]

mmm
As per usual the EU are caving in (for their advantage). It appears now that they might offer May more time.
I don't know what's worse having to buy Watford a Red Bull or Seeing May giving in?
Farage said this would happen ages ago. "It's how they work" he said. "they will try and wear you down and go for a second vote". I just hope the Brexitiers sort May out.

 

[ELLERS]

Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that 117 Tory MPs cast votes saying that Theresa May wasn't fit to run their party?

Yes but she wouldn't come out with something so stupid as he has. The news is now talking about him and not her... so he is the winner?
Clever May.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

mmm
As per usual the EU are caving in (for their advantage). It appears now that they might offer May more time.
I don't know what's worse having to buy Watford a Red Bull or Seeing May giving in?
Farage said this would happen ages ago. "It's how they work" he said. "they will try and wear you down and go for a second vote". I just hope the Brexitiers sort May out.

I only drink Malt Scotch older than myself.

 

[bobmid]

Yes but she wouldn't come out with something so stupid as he has. The news is now talking about him and not her... so he is the winner?
Clever May.

He certainly hasn't done himself any favours with not committing to things. I believe a stronger Labour leader would have wiped the floor with what is probably the worst government in my lifetime. Content of Parliment, no confidence vote for May by her own party, a crushing defeat on her brexit deal and a DUP backed vote kept her in for the no confidence motion. Politics is at its all time lowest

 

[kiwiqpr]

He certainly hasn't done himself any favours with not committing to things. I believe a stronger Labour leader would have wiped the floor with what is probably the worst government in my lifetime. Content of Parliment, no confidence vote for May by her own party, a crushing defeat on her brexit deal and a DUP backed vote kept her in for the no confidence motion. Politics is at its all time lowest

dont think they have reached the all time low level yet
give em some more shovels

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

He certainly hasn't done himself any favours with not committing to things. I believe a stronger Labour leader would have wiped the floor with what is probably the worst government in my lifetime. Content of Parliment, no confidence vote for May by her own party, a crushing defeat on her brexit deal and a DUP backed vote kept her in for the no confidence motion. Politics is at its all time lowest

True, but I'm struggling to think of a golden time, recently anyway.

 

[ELLERS]

I only drink Malt Scotch older than myself.

I thought It was half a glass of beer?

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

Hang on there ...Corbyn asked for reassurances that No deal would be removed from the table . She refused.

Cable said do not contact unless it is to say No deal is removed from the table. She rang him to say that would not happen.

The one clause the two main opposition parties demand ...and most of the rest of us too...she won't compromise on.

Not sure how you can spin this other than she is angling to take us crashing out without a deal.

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I don't think she is angling to do so. She believes that she is a brilliant poker player. Much the same as all the deluded fools leading the Brexit campaign do. None of them are. The only reason she does not want to agree that 'No deal' is off the table is because she does not want her hands to be tied and still believes that she can bluff the EU into submission. She can't. They called her bluff ages ago. She postured, threatened and eventually begged for a few crumbs before caving in because she wants to go down in history as the PM who rescued the Country from economic disaster by agreeing a Brexit deal which only she could deliver in Parliament - one that restores British independence, control over its borders and ends (eventually) the jurisdiction of the ECJ. The EU prepared for this a long time ago and will have implemented already its Plan B in the certainty that they feel they can weather the impact better than we can.

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

He certainly hasn't done himself any favours with not committing to things. I believe a stronger Labour leader would have wiped the floor with what is probably the worst government in my lifetime. Content of Parliment, no confidence vote for May by her own party, a crushing defeat on her brexit deal and a DUP backed vote kept her in for the no confidence motion. Politics is at its all time lowest

Unfortunately true. I have long since come round to the notion that a non-partisan National government is the only constructive way forward here but that is not going to happen with TM in charge, a dishonest Conservative party which would rather wreck this country's future rather than support Corbyn's no confidence motion and Jeremy Corbyn in charge of the Labour party. 117 Tories at least should have supported the motion if they had voted with their conscience. in the interests of the country rather than the party.

 

[ELLERS]

True, but I'm struggling to think of a golden time, recently anyway.

Brexit was always going to be a turbulent time. What doesn't help May (although I think she has made mistakes) is that over half her party want to remain.
This is the problem with Brexit, in that the people who are supposed to implement the will of the people, the MP's, have decided to go on their own crusades.
I said earlier that it easy to blame the government because they are the government? However you need to look at all the circumstances surrounding it. A good example is that I hear that Tony Blair has been having secret meetings with the EU undermining the PM. This sort of stuff doesn't help her or the negotiations.
I hear people saying it's the worst government in their lifetime but how do we define 'worse'?
What's worse 2 years of moaning or between 500K and 1 Million deaths attributed by a Blair government? When you put things in perspective Brexit is just a sideshow.

Yet I am sure all those 'humans', you know the ones... that care about the homeless and food banks also care about the millions who died or are dying due to Blair... In fact this politics thread has at least 80% of it dedicated to those poor souls.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Brexit was always going to be a turbulent time. What doesn't help May (although I think she has made mistakes) is that over half her party want to remain.
This is the problem with Brexit, in that the people who are supposed to implement the will of the people, the MP's, have decided to go on their own crusades.
I said earlier that it easy to blame the government because they are the government? However you need to look at all the circumstances surrounding it. A good example is that I hear that Tony Blair has been having secret meetings with the EU undermining the PM. This sort of stuff doesn't help her or the negotiations.
I hear people saying it's the worst government in their lifetime but how do we define 'worse'?
What's worse 2 years of moaning or between 500K and 1 Million deaths attributed by a Blair government? When you put things in perspective Brexit is just a sideshow.

Yet I am sure all those 'humans', you know the ones... that care about the homeless and food banks also care about the millions who died or are dying due to Blair... In fact this politics thread has at least 80% of it dedicated to those poor souls.

William Hague is predicting a general election imminently. He was right about the 2017 election!

 

[Uber_Hoop]

97-year old Range Rover twat.

 

[ELLERS]

William Hague is predicting a general election imminently. He was right about the 2017 election!

Esther Mcvay just said on radio that May won't be extending time. Asked why? She said she would lose the support of Tory MP's and Members (like I mentioned earlier).
Comrade Corbyn will go into hiding as he won't know what to do.

Actually..
https://newsthump.com/2016/12/14/je...wuk-0wsxOXd62cAWzSfRLYwvQgEhSB8XUZ0i9vpj733EE

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

I don't think she is angling to do so. She believes that she is a brilliant poker player. Much the same as all the deluded fools leading the Brexit campaign do. None of them are. The only reason she does not want to agree that 'No deal' is off the table is because she does not want her hands to be tied and still believes that she can bluff the EU into submission. She can't. They called her bluff ages ago. She postured, threatened and eventually begged for a few crumbs before caving in because she wants to go down in history as the PM who rescued the Country from economic disaster by agreeing a Brexit deal which only she could deliver in Parliament - one that restores British independence, control over its borders and ends (eventually) the jurisdiction of the ECJ. The EU prepared for this a long time ago and will have implemented already its Plan B in the certainty that they feel they can weather the impact better than we can.

Claims and hostile negotiations are very often resolved "at the door of the court", so your idea that the EU hasn't folded yet, so won't fold later is illfounded. If a no deal goes through, certain EU countries will suffer hundreds of thousands of job losses, not to mention adverse financial impact that could bring on recession in that country. The EU would certainly come back to the table if no deal was a real prospect.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Esther Mcvay just said on radio that May won't be extending time. Asked why? She said she would lose the support of Tory MP's and Members (like I mentioned earlier).
Comrade Corbyn will go into hiding as he won't know what to do.

BBC2 this evening has a Brexit programme with Andrew Neil. Corbyn has given orders that none of his party should attend. More fence sitting.

 

[bobmid]

BBC2 this evening has a Brexit programme with Andrew Neil. Corbyn has given orders that none of his party should attend. More fence sitting.

It certainly is sitting on the fence. Neither party is helping the future of our country. Nothing has really changed has it. We still have a government split on brexit and we still have an opposition keeping shtum

 

[kiwiqpr]

didnt know the italians grew rice

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Protectionist EU wages trade war against cheaper rice from Cambodia and Myanmar
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January 17, 2019
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The European Union have announced that they will be taking action to limit imports of Indica rice from Cambodia and Myanmar – because the prices have become so much lower than those on the EU market.
In a press release that went out yesterday they explained: “The European Commission has therefore decided today to re-introduce import duties.”
The Commission explained that their investigation “has confirmed a significant increase of imports of Indica rice from Cambodia and Myanmar into the European Union that has caused economic damage to European producers”.
Their issue is that such imports are cheaper that product in the EU. As they explain: “The investigation found that the prices were substantially lower than those on the EU market and had actually decreased over the same period.
“This surge in low-price imports has caused serious difficulties for EU rice producers to the extent that their market share in the EU dropped substantially from 61% to 29%.”
As a result, the EU will now slap on a customs duty on the product of €175 per tonne, which will go down to €150 then €125 over the next two years.
This goes massively against the market place: the EU Commission found that imports of rice from Cambodia and Myanmar had increased by 89% over the past five rice-growing seasons, but the EU are going to take action against that now.
The action was requested by the Italian government, backed up by other European governments. The fact that these new measures will now be brought in for three years underlines how the EU is a protectionist bloc that screws the consumer.
Song Saran, CEO of Amru Rice, has said that: “Imposing tariffs on Cambodian rice would impact EU’s effort to alleviate poverty in least developed, and developing countries. In addition, the tariffs would affect EU importers and its own consumers.”

 

[bobmid]

didnt know the italians grew rice

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Protectionist EU wages trade war against cheaper rice from Cambodia and Myanmar
by Westmonster
Brexit, Europe
January 17, 2019
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432 shares
The European Union have announced that they will be taking action to limit imports of Indica rice from Cambodia and Myanmar – because the prices have become so much lower than those on the EU market.
In a press release that went out yesterday they explained: “The European Commission has therefore decided today to re-introduce import duties.”
The Commission explained that their investigation “has confirmed a significant increase of imports of Indica rice from Cambodia and Myanmar into the European Union that has caused economic damage to European producers”.
Their issue is that such imports are cheaper that product in the EU. As they explain: “The investigation found that the prices were substantially lower than those on the EU market and had actually decreased over the same period.
“This surge in low-price imports has caused serious difficulties for EU rice producers to the extent that their market share in the EU dropped substantially from 61% to 29%.”
As a result, the EU will now slap on a customs duty on the product of €175 per tonne, which will go down to €150 then €125 over the next two years.
This goes massively against the market place: the EU Commission found that imports of rice from Cambodia and Myanmar had increased by 89% over the past five rice-growing seasons, but the EU are going to take action against that now.
The action was requested by the Italian government, backed up by other European governments. The fact that these new measures will now be brought in for three years underlines how the EU is a protectionist bloc that screws the consumer.
Song Saran, CEO of Amru Rice, has said that: “Imposing tariffs on Cambodian rice would impact EU’s effort to alleviate poverty in least developed, and developing countries. In addition, the tariffs would affect EU importers and its own consumers.”

35 pence a pouch in my supermarket. No grumbles from me

 

[ELLERS]

BBC2 this evening has a Brexit programme with Andrew Neil. Corbyn has given orders that none of his party should attend. More fence sitting.

What program? he is doing This week on BBC One is that it?