The Massa Question

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does Mass astill belong in F1

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He's like an aging boxer standing in the ring getting punched in the face by his opponent at will, while the ref stands in the middle wondering if he should stop the fight. The thing is last time Ferrari changed drivers they ended up with someone worse. This statement from Ferrari will either fire him up or make him worse (if possible). I really don't think he has it in him any more (F1), he seems to be fast at the start of a GP, then just fades away as the race goes on, and this has been the case in almost every race since his comeback. Maybe it's time to brush up on his German and join DTM.

as for a reserve, how about Heidfeld? probably the best and most experienced driver out of F1
 
Miggins said:
The thing is last time Ferrari changed drivers they ended up with someone worse.
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Whilst I agree with the rest of your post I'm a little puzzled as to what you mean here; can't tell if you're referring to Badoer's replacing Massa mid-2009 or something I'm missing, but the last three driver changes at Ferrari (Massa for Barichello, Raikkonen for Schumacher, and Alonso for Raikkonen) have as far as I remember been quite positive.
 
tomtom94 said:
Whilst I agree with the rest of your post I'm a little puzzled as to what you mean here; can't tell if you're referring to Badoer's replacing Massa mid-2009 or something I'm missing, but the last three driver changes at Ferrari (Massa for Barichello, Raikkonen for Schumacher, and Alonso for Raikkonen) have as far as I remember been quite positive.
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The last midseason replacement was a disaster, however, the previous 2 weren't so bad. Larini did a better job than Capelli in 92, and filled in well for Berger in 94, and Morbidelli didn't do so badly replcing prost in 91.
 
Kyle? said:
The last midseason replacement was a disaster, however, the previous 2 weren't so bad. Larini did a better job than Capelli in 92, and filled in well for Berger in 94, and Morbidelli didn't do so badly replcing prost in 91.
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There was also Salo in 1999 who did quite well. Badoer can't really be counted because his jumping in the car was neither planned nor intended initially (because of course Schumi was going to do it) - he was a last minute panicky scramble "GET SOMEONE IN THE CAR" deal. I still maintain Fisichella didn't do too badly either considering he had to adapt to using KERS again.
 
tomtom94 said:
There was also Salo in 1999 who did quite well. Badoer can't really be counted because his jumping in the car was neither planned nor intended initially (because of course Schumi was going to do it) - he was a last minute panicky scramble "GET SOMEONE IN THE CAR" deal. I still maintain Fisichella didn't do too badly either considering he had to adapt to using KERS again.
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I forgot about Salo. Biggest victim of team oreders ever, should have won a race in 99, had to give it to ****ing Irvine for his half arsed championship bid.
 
22 people think Massa does not belong in F1 at all? I certainly think he does not belong at Ferrari but I think he can still do a good job at a midfield team.
 
Spursguru said:
I think it was Badoer, then Fisi for Massa when he got smacked in the head.

Kimi won in Spa if memory serves, whilst Luca was busy lifting off in Au Rouge..
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I was going to be MS, Imagin that? that would of put pay to his carear earlier and Button may have stayed at Brawn/Mercedes. Rosberg or Raikkonen may of got the Mclaren seat and Villeneurve may of found himself a seat at Lotus Racing/Caterham.

Some weird butterfly effect there!!
 
Ferrari.com said:
As for an analysis of the Scuderia’s performance and its two drivers, Fernando has always maintained a very high level (67 points and second place in 2010, 51 and fifth place last year) while Felipe’s drop off has made itself felt. The Brazilian had picked up 49 points two years ago and 24 the following year, while so far this season he has just 2. In Montmelo, Felipe was very unlucky, both in the race and in qualifying, but everyone, he more than anyone, is expecting a change of gear starting right away with the Monaco Grand Prix.
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There's also a post-race interview with Domenicali where he says: "I expect an excellent race [from Massa] in Monte Carlo because we need him to take points for the constructors' championship, which is very difficult."

The message is very clear: If Massa doesn't improve, he won't finish the season at Ferrari.
 
Massa's past Monaco results
2006 - 9th
2007 - 3rd
2008 - 3rd
2009 - 4th
2010 - 4th
2011 - Ret
2012 - ?

seems a good track for him
 
Just noticed that Massa has got Ferrari a little over 3% of its total championship points this season. That's a number to put against how bad its got.
 
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