The KC Effect
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Sorry, but that's simply not true, Newcastle is one side of the Tyne, Gateshead is on the other, they're about 50 yards apart, you can't look at Newcastle without adding both together. Tyneside has a population of 900k, even if add the entire population of East Yorkshire together you only get to 600k.
I don't get this. Should we include Barton as well just because it's touching if you ignore the river?
By that logic parts of Germany should count as East Yorkshire, they're next to each other if you don't count the North Sea.
I think you need to read the posts again - OLM is saying the exact opposite to what you think
The thing is, as Scooter says, the north bank and the south bank of the Tyne are incredibly close together. They even have a foot-bridge from the north bank to the Tate and the Sage Centre, for Fooks sake!
Can you imagine a footbridge across the Humber? (The Humber is the estuary with the biggest flow of water of any in the country.)
Once you include 'the snotties' - Haltemprice and Bilton - you might be getting near half a million, but Tyneside dwarfs Hull!
Well of course it does if you're including a city and a neighbouring big town.
From a footballing point of view, that means Newcastle should get big crowds, which was the point of this article, but from a pride in my City point of view, Hull is bigger than Newcastle.
I've not got time to search any further than Wikipedia but it states that Tyneside is 879,996 and the equivalent comparison for Hull made on Wikipedia is the Hull and Humber City Region which is 887,500. Pretty close really. I also don't understand how anyone can state you can't look at the population of Newcastle without also taking into account Gateshead and similar. Surely the population of Newcastle is the number of people that live within the boundary of the city of Newcastle? It doesn't matter how close it's neighbours are.
None of this really bothers me anyway. Just sticks in my mind as I was once out of curiosity seeing how much bigger Newcastle was than Hull, only to find the opposite.
My initial reply was to someone talking specifically about the population of Newcastle. Everyone else seems to have been talking about something entirely different but implying that is what I said. How are you going to determine catchment area then anyway? Hull's is pretty big too.
Completely unrelated but when did the common use of words like buddy turn from a friendly greeting to a mild put down? I think it was the Internet that did it!
Completely unrelated but when did the common use of words like buddy turn from a friendly greeting to a mild put down? I think it was the Internet that did it!
Ehh? What's the Humber City region? Humberside doesn't exist anymore, so by saying that I presume parts of North Linconshire are being included.
I take your point about Newcastle and Gateshead, but they're practically the same citys when you look at it - it's divided by a river and a bridge. It's just like Istanbul being separated by the river that runs through there, where in fact it is the same city (divided into 2 continents, strangely)
As far as I can see Tyneside has a combined population of 880k; East Riding has a pop. of 314k.
Erm...catchment area of Tyneside (= attendances at St. James' Park) is much bigger.
Nobody is denying this. I'm just keen to point out that my city is bigger than Newcastle and it's the 10th biggest in England, going by the 2001 census. Though the new census will probably show we have lost more people.
From the National Statistics Office (I trust them more than Wiki...)
mid-2010 Population Estimates:
Kingston-upon-Hull: 262,000
East Riding: 337,000
Newcastle-upon-Tyne: 284,300
North Tyneside: 197,200
South Tyneside: 152,400
Gateshead: 190,800
some of those folk may go to watch Sunderland (pop 281,700)
This is all academic! We don't have the attendance that St. James' Park has - for whatever reason. Have you ever been in N'castle city centre when they kick out after the match ends. You rush for the Metro, or it'll be full of Magpies (and in whatever frame of mind, depending on result!!)
[Edit: I mean - it's got a Metro. Here they closed the old Hull and Barnsley line, which could have brought commuters in from the west, into Paragon Station. And - do you remember THE TUNNEL crossing of the River Hull, from the end of the Bev By-pass to Bransholme (Kingswood?)? IT FLOODED AND HAD TO BE ABANDONED!!!. So now there's a bridge there, which has to be able to open, for the trawlers which they no longer build in Beverley.]
You couldn't make it up......
[Edit: I mean - it's got a Metro. Here they closed the old Hull and Barnsley line, which could have brought commuters in from the west, into Paragon Station. And - do you remember THE TUNNEL crossing of the River Hull, from the end of the Bev By-pass to Bransholme (Kingswood?)? IT FLOODED AND HAD TO BE ABANDONED!!!. So now there's a bridge there, which has to be able to open, for the trawlers which they no longer build in Beverley.]
You couldn't make it up......
Have you ever been to Newcastle?
Newcastle and Gateshead are effectively one big city, there is no North Sea between them, there's about twenty foot of river, you could just about jump it. There's no league football team in Gateshead, for the purposes of looking at football support, then Newcastle and Gateshead are as one, it's like suggesting that East Hull and West Hull are two different cities.
What is that meant to show? That the population of Gateshead and Newcastle is less than that of Hull and East Riding? If not then why stop at East Riding?
Within a 15 mile radius of St James' Park the population would be greater than it would within a 15 mile radius of the KC. If that is what some people are trying to say I won't disagree. That isn't the same as saying Newcastle get bigger crowds because they have a bigger population. It isn't the same as catchment area either. It comes down to the popularity of the sport in the region, historical links and then the number of people for who any given club is the nearest and convenient to get to.