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BCFCRob said:
No. I condemned the actions of BLM. Why would I think this is okay?



Wrong. You're trying to talk about something you clearly know nothing about.
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Well at this point, I can clearly call you a liar, I have forgotten more about the law than you will never.
 
Jiffie said:
Well at this point, I can clearly call you a liar, I have forgotten more about the law than you will never.
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Fine, I'm not getting that petty.

Excluding the obvious violence from both BLM and the far-right lot, perhaps you can tell me what was illegal with the peaceful protests of both then? As far as I can tell there was nothing. In which case, what are you even debating?
 
BCFCRob said:
Fine, I'm not getting that petty.

Excluding the obvious violence from both BLM and the far-right lot, perhaps you can tell me what was illegal with the peaceful protests of both then? As far as I can tell there was nothing. In which case, what are you even debating?
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I haven't mentioned the far right.
 
Cliftonville said:
The events are equivalent because the law is supposed to be applied evenly.

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This to me is spot on.....As soon as a peaceful protest gets out of hand, i.e. violence or destruction for whatever reason, Police should deal with the situation equally. Doesn't matter what organisation are involved........that's the line.
Police allowed BLM freedom to do whatever they liked in fear of causing tension and acting to some in a racist manner.....
 
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oneforthebristolcity said:
This to me is spot on.....As soon as a peaceful protest gets out of hand, i.e. violence or destruction for whatever reason, Police should deal with the situation equally. Doesn't matter what organisation are involved........that's the line.
Police allowed BLM freedom to do whatever they liked in fear of causing tension and acting to some in a racist manner.....
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And subsequently charged 4 people.
 
BCFCRob said:
Okay, BLM then? Unless you're claiming that the BLM protest was fine (exempting the statue coming down of course). In which case I'd agree with you.
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I am claiming that one was deemed OK reference the social distancing rules and another deemed illegal on the same grounds.

The statue was criminal damage plain and simple.
 
Jiffie said:
I am claiming that one was deemed OK reference the social distancing rules and another deemed illegal on the same grounds.

The statue was criminal damage plain and simple.
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I'm not sure I've heard the first part of what you've said, but yeah fair enough. Completely agree otherwise. The statue should not have been pulled down by protestors.
 
BCFCRob said:
I'm not sure I've heard the first part of what you've said, but yeah fair enough. Completely agree otherwise. The statue should not have been pulled down by protestors.
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The rules on social distancing were abused on both BLM marches in Bristol and went unopposed, as was the last XR protest in Prince Street, the police cited the social distancing rules in their attempt for not allow the anti lockdown demo.

Surely as somebody so incredibly vocal about the governments handling of covid, the damage caused by any demos to the final figures must be immeasurable?
 
BCFCRob said:
Isn't it bloody amazing how when you want it to be, everything is 'nuanced' but in matters like this which are plain as day, everything has to be black or white.

If a man steals a loaf of bread to feed his family, is he as bad as a man who steals for pure greed? The law is more than just the bare crime itself. You know it, and you're choosing to be ignorant of it.

If a man protests because his family has been oppressed for decades, or because he has been abused purely for the colour of his skin, is he as bad as a man who protests because his football team lost a match?

You're willingly blind to the distinction.



No of course not. Nothing to do with the far right.

Maybe it was just coincidence that a reporter not even from the area was spat at and called a "left wing c***". There are also comments supporting him with similar stories, but I won't quote them as I can't actually prove they were there.

They really look like lovely people. That entire thread is full of more nonsense videos from that lot.

What about the scaffolder who pulled the statue out of the water, stood on plinth with a Union Flag and shouted "antifa scum"?

Maybe we can add to that the bottles that were thrown at cars driving past?

I can't see a single non-white person in that group despite your claim. The leader may well have been there and been not white, but I can't see him there. Not exactly as representative as their placards suggested are they.

Isn't it funny how you condemn the BLM protestors for their lack of masks but you've been 100% silent on those who are clearly not social distancing or wearing masks in these videos? Will you apply the same criticism to them?

And even at this point, you describe them as "defending" the cenotaph. Defending it from what? Pigeon ****?

Not far right. "A disgusting lie". Maybe everything above is faked?
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The leaders name was Mark. He is mixed race. In a video he can be seen revealing tattoos of the flags of Britain and Jamaica to very aggressive and threatening BLM mob. The police spoke to him on the day and post events. He was portrayed as far right by the police. He as a mixed race man cannot be a ethnic nationalist. The police knowingly chose to create a false narrative.

The Cenotaph was as was in danger from BLM Protestors. That public property was damaged came as no surprise. Anybody with a degree of intelligence would expect Bristols militants to be intending to vandalise public property with acts of direct action. The polices negligent action made the violence that occurred inevitable.

I posted. Previously about the inevitable consequences of BLM actions and the inaction of the police. The individuals protecting to he Cenotaph are a secondary reaction. The later (following weekend) larger protest was a reaction, a consequence again. I do not condone that protest, but understand its cause and I have some sympathy. Sacred war memorials were being desecrated and the police were not defending what is sacred importance to many in this Country The Small group (10 - 15) the previous week I believe were necessary and I wholly support what they did. Events elsewhere and only metres away are all the evidence needed to believe they protected Bristols Cenotaph from another inevitable attack.
 
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Cliftonville said:
The events are equivalent because the law is supposed to be applied evenly.

This is clearly not occurring.

The police at the BLM protest allowed violent acts to occur and we're negligent.

A small group of football fans defended Bristol Cenotaph that the police had left unguarded along with other obvious targets. These people were condemned as far right by the police - A cursory view of you tube will confirm this to be a disgusting lie. The individual leading them was not white or far white. The Avon and Somerset police knowingly lied to the media and public.
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Spot on
One law for all, irrespective of race, colour, sexual orientation, religion or any other parameters they can use.
Not bending or ignoring the law simply because it's convenient, and heaven forbid it might offend 'minorities'
I am sick and fed up with being a law abiding, hard working, citizen, who is in the majority of people of this country, while others can seemingly do as they please because they know they won't be prosecuted or worse, because they think life owes them something.
It doesn't !
 
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wizered said:
'Queue' I know you didn't want to write anymore laugh
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HO HO HO actually you are almost right was about to write "condemnation comments etc which would have been quite scathing" .. stopped before I got nasty....................... !!!!! and yes is wrong spelling... :emoticon-0105-wink:

oneforthebristolcity said:
The twat has two agendas when answering questions......
1. Everything is, how's it going to affect Black & ethnic people?.....not interested what so ever in anyone else, has no interest in society, together as a whole.
2. To bring the government down in whatever shape or form. Ready to pounce and be negative on every single measure put in place, nothing constructive, nothing of any encouragement only criticism.....When the discussion, regarding whom should be at the top of the list for the vaccine..his answer had no interest in the old and vulnerable or care workers. just where does the black & ethnic minority feature on the list as they have a higher risk factor (apparently)...
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A bit like the UBER taxi driver, a selfish egoistic human, we are all human and we are all on this planet by right of the people who brought us here ... parents ... and of course the people who look after our health.
He is a classic example of why his and opposition parties more often than not get short shrift ...... also needs to keep his big gob shut ... "In February 2019 Lammy criticised Stacey Dooley for photographs she posted on social media of her trip to Uganda for Comic Relief, and said that "the world does not need any more white saviours", and that she was "perpetuating 'tired and unhelpful stereotypes' about Africa". He also stated however, that he does not question her "good motives".[ The donations received for the Red Nose Day broadcast in March 2019 fell by £8 million and the money raised that year was the lowest since 2007, which some have blamed on Lammy's remarks". makes a nastsy statement before retracting it ...

oneforthebristolcity said:
I understand that you have to speak and look after your own.....but it was so blatant & discarding to the rest of society it was shameful......
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Hitler was the same wanted everyone to be Nazi!

Jiffie said:
David Lammy described during the height of the expenses scandal by the lib dems as "the one who got away" over his enormous yearly expenses claims.
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of course, it seems to be a trait with some backgrounds to rip off fellow humans...

on a different note ...
The british police I am led to believe has a police station in Nigeria to help fight cyber based crime ripping people off, Nigeria being the world capital along with some of the poorer east European nations?
 
Cliftonville said:
The leaders name was Mark. He is mixed race. In a video he can be seen revealing tattoos of the flags of Britain and Jamaica to very aggressive and threatening BLM mob. The police spoke to him on the day and post events. He was portrayed as far right by the police. He as a mixed race man cannot be a ethnic nationalist. The police knowingly chose to create a false narrative.

The Cenotaph was as was in danger from BLM Protestors. That public property was damaged came as no surprise. Anybody with a degree of intelligence would expect Bristols militants to be intending to vandalise public property with acts of direct action. The polices negligent action made the violence that occurred inevitable.

I posted. Previously about the inevitable consequences of BLM actions and the inaction of the police. The individuals protecting to he Cenotaph are a secondary reaction. The later (following weekend) larger protest was a reaction, a consequence again. I do not condone that protest, but understand its cause and I have some sympathy. Sacred war memorials were being desecrated and the police were not defending what is sacred importance to many in this Country The Small group (10 - 15) the previous week I believe were necessary and I wholly support what they did. Events elsewhere and only metres away are all the evidence needed to believe they protected Bristols Cenotaph from another inevitable attack.
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sorry got lost after the police spoke to him ...what event are you talking about one, two ..more?
 
Cliftonville said:
The leaders name was Mark. He is mixed race. In a video he can be seen revealing tattoos of the flags of Britain and Jamaica to very aggressive and threatening BLM mob. The police spoke to him on the day and post events. He was portrayed as far right by the police. He as a mixed race man cannot be a ethnic nationalist. The police knowingly chose to create a false narrative.

The Cenotaph was as was in danger from BLM Protestors. That public property was damaged came as no surprise. Anybody with a degree of intelligence would expect Bristols militants to be intending to vandalise public property with acts of direct action. The polices negligent action made the violence that occurred inevitable.

I posted. Previously about the inevitable consequences of BLM actions and the inaction of the police. The individuals protecting to he Cenotaph are a secondary reaction. The later (following weekend) larger protest was a reaction, a consequence again. I do not condone that protest, but understand its cause and I have some sympathy. Sacred war memorials were being desecrated and the police were not defending what is sacred importance to many in this Country The Small group (10 - 15) the previous week I believe were necessary and I wholly support what they did. Events elsewhere and only metres away are all the evidence needed to believe they protected Bristols Cenotaph from another inevitable attack.
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I would agree with this, the officer in charge when questioned about his description of the person being 'far right' replied "somebody on the BLM march told me he was far right" and there you have it that sadly is the quality of police commanders in the modern police force his intel came from a single source on the counter march.
 
Jiffie said:
I would agree with this, the officer in charge when questioned about his description of the person being 'far right' replied "somebody on the BLM march told me he was far right" and there you have it that sadly is the quality of police commanders in the modern police force his intel came from a single source on the counter march.
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The police have described last weekends events as “disgusting” and “selfish”. The BLM protest was described very very differently and again the small group at the Cenotaph were described in a wholly negative differing manner.

BLM good anything else far right and disgusting. It’s a Liberal politically correct narrative, a twisted one.

The BBC did not challenge these uneven and hypocritical narratives. The BBC propagate them.
 
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