The EU debate - Part III
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Based on the discussion so far, she is looking like a left wing version of the EU.
A diversion? It was the salient point of your reply to my post ffs
Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein are part of the single market as part of the EEA, and have free movement
Switzerland is also part of the single market and has free movement
Turkey want to join the EU but don't qualify currently, the same goes for Albania, Macedonia and Montenegro
Which leaves Russia.....
So what other options were you referring to?
He did better than I expected him to. He either got what he was asking for or reached a compromise on each point.
His detractors wanted a lot more than he was actually asking for and for the EU to just give him all of it.
Unrealistic expectations and not what he was after, either.
If Britain wanted to change aspects of the EU as a whole, then there are ways of going about that.
This wasn't one of them.
He asked for a lot less than what he wanted and he got even less. If you think that what was decided was the extent of EU reform then the EU will disappear within ten years as other countries leave.
lA diversion? It was the salient point of your reply to my post ffs
Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein are part of the single market as part of the EEA, and have free movement
Switzerland is also part of the single market and has free movement
Turkey want to join the EU but don't qualify currently, the same goes for Albania, Macedonia and Montenegro
Which leaves Russia.....
So what other options were you referring to?
It looks like my subconscious was right. It's one element of the wider point I made, but you do have a habit of trying to steer discusions down blind alleys in the hope you avoid being wrong and end discussions.
What's clear from what you put, even when you try to over simplify and narrow things down, there are clearly other options to the single one you mentioned. They cover over 90% of the world population.
He called the referendum because his negotiations failed so badly. It was an ill-judged attempt at leverage.
I respect your views, but in my head the conversation would have gone something like;
Cameron - we have had our referendum vote.
EU - and?
Cameron - we voted to remain and because of it we demand change.
EU - so the UK voted to remain, so I guess they are happy with the EU
Cameron - well yes, but we demand change.
EU - don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out!!.....Next.
When did I say that it was the extent of EU reform? When did I even hint at that?
I explicitly stated that it wasn't the way to go about that.
You dont have a very good track record on guess who will win elections, so she is now odds on winning
Where have I guessed who will win an election? Or being a halfwit, do you just make it up as you go along?
I've made clear who I would like to see win, but made no predictions as to who would actually win.
Obviously I don't but there's nothing wrong with that. It's preferable to Hull's stance of not giving an opinion. I've no plans to spend the next two nights demanding you evaluate her policies to explain why you back her.
I disagree with you. And I think she'd be disastrous. But I'll give you credit for having the balls to say that.
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This is why I can't take you seriously.May I remind you of the actual conversation. You asked for my opinion on how we should proceed given where we are, I answered, saying that single market access was absolutely key to our economic future.
You replied with;
Granted, at present, it does, but who knows what the future holds. But even if it's your favoured option, it's not the only one, so it's foolish to chuck all the eggs in one basket.
To which I asked;
What other options to retaining our single market access do you think would provide us with a growing economy moving forwards? As you're saying there's other options, what are they?
Your answer;
There is pretty much the options that the world outside the EU use, and a bundle of others countries in Europe use. It's far from limited to just your one option.
So I asked which European countries you were referring to, you came back with a list, that were either in the single market anyway, or have applied to join the EU - the only exception being Russia.
We're a European country, so what the rest of the World do, is irrelevant, as our key market is the one on our doorstep - the EU.
So with every European country barring Russia (which is partly in Asia anyway) and a Superstate, what other options are there for our future economic prosperity that the entire continent has somehow missed? It's not simplification or narrowing down anything, it's a straightforward question.
To be honest, I actually don't care. I've got no real desire to go to France and, at the end of the day, it's down to the French people to decide. I was just gaging the reaction to my quote.
As I said to Watford, I really don't care. Just gauging reaction to my comment that's all.
To be honest, I actually don't care. I've got no real desire to go to France and, at the end of the day, it's down to the French people to decide. I was just gaging the reaction to my quote.
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