Off Topic The Boris Johnson Appreciation Thread

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GeordieHalfbreed said:
There seems to be some confusion as to how Single Transferable Vote works. As most of this confusion is on Pouchy’s part I assume he’s just wumming but for the sake of clarity:

STV means that you rank your preferences in order.

If no first choice gets a clear majority, the least popular option is removed, and those who voted for it as their first choice now have their second choice counted to see if that pushes one of the remaining options over 50%.

By analogy:

Alice, Bob, Chris, Dave and Ed are all in the pub. They try and decide whether to;

1) Stay in the pub all night
2) Go to Vodka Revs which is **** but they know they’ll get in
3) Go to a decent club but risk getting stuck in the rain if there’s a queue.

At first Alice and Bob want to stay in the pub, Chris wants to go to Revs, and Dave and Ed want to go clubbing.

First round:
Pub: A,B
Revs: C
Club: D,E

Nobody has a clear majority so they turn to Chris and say: “look mate, everyone hates revs - we’re obviously not going there. Do you want to go out or not.”

Chris would rather go out than stay in the pub.

Second round of voting:

Pub: A,B
Club: C,D,E

Club has a clear majority so they go out. The “going out” group were not disadvantaged by there being multiple places they could go.
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Yes, this is the effectively the same as what I was proposing, though I suggested one vote on two questions. It makes little practical difference which way you do it.

Under the STV system there is usually not 2 rounds of voting, though, but one round with first and second choices picked at the outset.
 
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GeordieHalfbreed said:
There seems to be some confusion as to how Single Transferable Vote works. As most of this confusion is on Pouchy’s part I assume he’s just wumming but for the sake of clarity:

STV means that you rank your preferences in order.

If no first choice gets a clear majority, the least popular option is removed, and those who voted for it as their first choice now have their second choice counted to see if that pushes one of the remaining options over 50%.

By analogy:

Alice, Bob, Chris, Dave and Ed are all in the pub. They try and decide whether to;

1) Stay in the pub all night
2) Go to Vodka Revs which is **** but they know they’ll get in
3) Go to a decent club but risk getting stuck in the rain if there’s a queue.

At first Alice and Bob want to stay in the pub, Chris wants to go to Revs, and Dave and Ed want to go clubbing.

First round:
Pub: A,B
Revs: C
Club: D,E

Nobody has a clear majority so they turn to Chris and say: “look mate, everyone hates revs - we’re obviously not going there. Do you want to go out or not.”

Chris would rather go out than stay in the pub.

Second round of voting:

Pub: A,B
Club: C,D,E

Club has a clear majority so they go out. The “going out” group were not disadvantaged by there being multiple places they could go.
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And you and Freddd seriously think the general public are capable of understanding this and voting on it?

That we'll end up with an accurate picture?

You both need to stop pouring vodka instead of milk on your cornflakes <laugh>

The problem stems from re-running votes that shouldn't be re-run of course, that's why an overly complicated voting system is required to manipulate, sorry re-run, the vote.
 
Warm Pouch said:
And you and Freddd seriously think the general public are capable of understanding this and voting on it?

That we'll end up with an accurate picture?

You both need to stop pouring vodka instead of milk on your cornflakes <laugh>

The problem stems from re-running votes that shouldn't be re-run of course, that's why an overly complicated voting system is required to manipulate, sorry re-run, the vote.
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Let me get this straight: you are now citing the stupidity of the electorate as a reason to regard the referendum result as inviolable? Have I got that right ?
 
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Warm Pouch said:
And you and Freddd seriously think the general public are capable of understanding this and voting on it?

That we'll end up with an accurate picture?

You both need to stop pouring vodka instead of milk on your cornflakes <laugh>

The problem stems from re-running votes that shouldn't be re-run of course, that's why an overly complicated voting system is required to manipulate, sorry re-run, the vote.
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Trouble is a slightly more complicated voting process, or an actual definition of what leave would mean should have been sorted before the vote which would have stopped the need for a re run as people would have known what they were going to get.
It was a ridiculously simplistic vote for something that was far from simple.

Also, even today I had a friend sharing something on facebook that was spouting complete nonsense about the EU giving grants for businesses to relocate from the UK to other EU countries. It's ****e like that that made some people, I'm not suggesting all, vote leave. They then turn around and say "don't tell me I didn't know what I voted for".
There are probably loads of leavers that voted leave for actual legitimite reasons but not the people I know personally and I'm guessing there are many many more who have been duped and given how close the vote was and the time that has elapsed since then surely another vote is reasonable?
 
Returning to the subject of this thread, he will go down as the briefest PM in history. When the opposition decide to call an election, that will be the end of BJ.

One man's uninformed opinion obviously but I doubt this will come back to bite me.
 
Warm Pouch said:
And you and Freddd seriously think the general public are capable of understanding this and voting on it?

That we'll end up with an accurate picture?

You both need to stop pouring vodka instead of milk on your cornflakes <laugh>

The problem stems from re-running votes that shouldn't be re-run of course, that's why an overly complicated voting system is required to manipulate, sorry re-run, the vote.
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the wisest thing to do is just say were staying in Europe because weve decided to and **** the lot of you. roughly 50% of the people will be happy anyway you slice it.. in fact every day people are dieing that voted anyway so **** them too
 
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B b b but Brexit was meant cause unemployment...
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considering it hasn't happened yet id say that's a strong argument against …. hey everybody things are going well lets jump off a cliff and hope it doesn't get worse.

borris Johnson is a tory **** that's going to have full control over this country if he gets his own way.. they will have the north east and working class on the breadline again.

we don't need this disgusting fat body pretending hes working for a party that gives a **** about us ,... they don't ..they'll get richer well get ****ed
 
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Maximin Decimin Meridiin said:
That needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt. I'm pretty sure you can be on a zero hours contract and be classed as employed whether you are getting any hours or not.
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and forcing the disabled back into work … regardless its only an argument to say things are getting better and should stay in Europe not leave … the guys basically saying hey we can afford to **** up we will recover …. recover at whos expense ? not ****ing his or his friends and family oh no

I honestly hope the Chinese declare war on this country and show all the flag wavers just how ****ty their little country is on its own.
 
Mickdundee said:
considering it hasn't happened yet id say that's a strong argument against …. hey everybody things are going well lets jump off a cliff and hope it doesn't get worse.

borris Johnson is a tory **** that's going to have full control over this country if he gets his own way.. they will have the north east and working class on the breadline again.

we don't need this disgusting fat body pretending hes working for a party that gives a **** about us ,... they don't ..they'll get richer well get ****ed
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It hasn't happened but the remoaners, the financial experts and all those supposedly in the know said we were set for a significant downturn in this regard because of the threat of Brexit not just when it happens. The theory being that the uncertainty would result in people not employing anyone and everything would just freeze. The positive data has cooled somewhat since June in their defence but it basically turns out they were wrong. Badly.

Of course they are now back pedalling quicker than an italian army to claim that it is unfathomable and they stand by their Brexit predictions. I can see why people are starting to think the doom and gloom merchants have somewhat selfishly over egged the pudding. I go back to the same thing. This situation requires people to leave their egos and selfish attitudes at the door to what is best. Unfortunately the remoaners and remain press have been unable to accept the vote and do that. Now we have the leave support responding in kind. That will be rubbished by remoaners as their protestations have been rubbished by leavers. Its a mess and its wrong to suggest the blame lies solely at the door of either party. I've heard it said that the responsibility for all this lies firmly with Boris, May and the conservatives. I suggest those people sew up their arsehole because they clearly have somewhere else for the **** to come out of.
 
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Warm Pouch said:
It hasn't happened but the remoaners, the financial experts and all those supposedly in the know said we were set for a significant downturn in this regard because of the threat of Brexit not just when it happens. The theory being that the uncertainty would result in people not employing anyone and everything would just freeze. The positive data has cooled somewhat since June in their defence but it basically turns out they were wrong. Badly.

Of course they are now back pedalling quicker than an italian army to claim that it is unfathomable and they stand by their Brexit predictions. I can see why people are starting to think the doom and gloom merchants have somewhat selfishly over egged the pudding. I go back to the same thing. This situation requires people to leave their egos and selfish attitudes at the door to what is best. Unfortunately the remoaners and remain press have been unable to accept the vote and do that. Now we have the leave support responding in kind. That will be rubbished by remoaners as their protestations have been rubbished by leavers. Its a mess and its wrong to suggest the blame lies solely at the door of either party. I've heard it said that the responsibility for all this lies firmly with Boris, May and the conservatives. I suggest those people sew up their arsehole because they clearly have somewhere else for the **** to come out of.
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It lies at the hands of the tories and dav8d cameron
 
Mickdundee said:
Well we will find out wont we.
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I'm not sure we ever will now. Even if Brexit happens, it looks like the remoaners will dilute it down so those who voted to leave are going to be left disappointed. You only have to look at Tom Watson, deputy for labour party. He is still spouting that Labour should be focusing all of its efforts on reversing Brexit via a referendum. Its laughable that such senior figures are still flagrantly ignoring the vote of three years ago to suit their own agenda. That is where the major problem has always lay. The majority of parliament don't want what the British people asked for and refuse to accept the vote.
 
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Mickdundee said:
He resigned because be knew he was wily waving and caused the entire issue fact and just to be clear he was leader and priminister of the country at the time he created this mess!!!
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I do think the people should never have been asked personally. I'm not sure what we pay those lot for if they are incapable of doing their job.

Problem is once you ask, you simply must enact their decision to respect the democracy of this country. Unfortunately that vote went the way it did. So yes that could be seen as the catalyst. But then so could 46 years of public discontent about being part of the EU.

As I say those trying to divide up the blame are wasting their time. Its too widespread.
 
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