All I can say is God help Allam Marine when the old man's gone, Ehab will **** that up as he has Hull City.
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Yes, of course there were those who thought it would end differently, it's simply a case of how far back in time you look; maybe a year or less would find them. I can rècall, only too well, being lectured on the need for dialogue and, later on, the disgrace of not using your vote. I asked one simple question - what will it achieve?
You say, 'We had to play to their whims'. I said we didn't, then, and we dont have to now (although that has been learnt by some). Playing to their whims was the wrong tactic; it gave them control, which they used to set their own timetable, agenda and the level of humiliation on their hated supporter base. What did supporters gain? Nothing, just false hope and growing apathy - we already knew, without any further steps, 'the idiots they are'.
What have they gained?
Control - what control does the Trust or any supporter group have?
Superiority - in their eyes they have achieved their immediate plan and stopped the supporter groups from achieving anything. (Lets be clear; the branding was a pawn they had already lost, they lost nothing further, but gained satisfaction from the hoops they have made supporters jump through.)
Time - to take back their money; running the club into the ground is a happy consequence of that.
Proving a point - nobody tells them how to run their business.
I'll tell you what, Askew, you tell me what the support has gained.
Having had time to consider this, here’s my view
Positives - The letter was signed ‘Hull City’
Negatives - Everything else
I got an email from Vicky Beercock last night, still claiming that going forward 'the name change is happening on all channels'. We'll see.
I'm not, or ever have blamed Geoff, or the others, for trying; I have simply been consistent in saying they have tried the wrong thing. What the poisonous ****ers might say stopped being of significance a long time ago.
The proof of the pudding is all theirs, they have what they want (as perverse as that might be) we don't.
The Allams know exactly what they can achieve as a minimum; they have been working towards this whilst playing about with the supporter committee. If they get better than minimum, it will be their gain; they're not going to get less. Now it's the turn of the FSF- what can the FSF do differently?
Supporters are walking away and most will only return through social media, or the odd game - the passion and budget will have moved on.
Everybody dies, there's no justice in that. When they are shot of City everyone will move on, some will loath them, some love them (as they do now - money talks) and the remaining majority won't give a toss. Ehab will continue to be a ****; it's what he is.
This isn't a fairy tale...
It’s telling that she sees it as a ‘name change’ isn’t it!!!
For what it’s worth I think the use of the correct (almost) name is something of a ‘win’ for the Trust. I do think they’ll get to a point when it’s used more normally, but I still think they’ll string it out as long as they can and they’ll still use it as little as possible in communications.
Still worth the effort though.
I don't think anyone at the club knows the background of the FSA and where they came from. It was a grass roots fans organisation formed to oppose the introduction of ID cards ( membership) for football supporters. They were successful if fighting the government in getting it thrown out and with it the Minister appointed to introduce it, Colin Moynihan.
I got a ****ing birthday card from Hull Tigers last week (slightly early but thought that counts). I think an offer of discount at Tigers shop accompanied it, but I didn't keep it long enough to recall now.
Do they have mailing lists?
Maybe I’ve ticked/unticked something because I never get anything from the club either by email or birthday card.
I’m lucky
Sadly we haven't gained anything tangible as we are watching the football club we love getting run into the ground and lets face it, we are powerless do anything about. So any gains The Trust made from playing along with their charade were actually minor.
However it has exposed to many not as astute as you that the 'wanting to work with the supporters and give them a voice' was bollocks. Had we closed the door, then the Allams would claim they tried. They can't do that now. And that exposure is not just to City fans but to the wider audience, Football supporters federations, EPL (can they withhold parachute payments?) and the FA. Will that make a tangible difference? Probably not.
It will damage their business reputation which they don't seem bothered about, but at some point has to have an impact, either on the wealth they can cream from the club or other and future business activities.
So I can't describe these as tangible gains in terms of to the benefit of Hull City Football club, but
Also from the botched ballots, they will have lost a lot of members, which again they don't seem bothered about. I am coming to the conclusion that as soon as the parachute payments cease they will start haemorrhaging money and with less members, it will be at a faster rate and therefore hasten their departure. Which has got me wondering whether by hanging onto our membership, we are supporting them staying.
We probably will have to agree to disagree on this Fez. Apart from the very occasional moment of motivation, I have got really bored debating when we aren't going to change each other's minds. But feel free to have the last word as I am unlikely to respond.
Don't know. I thought I was on their naughty list. I'm clearly not on the ballot invitation mailing list. I haven't bought anything from the shop for years or even match day tickets as someone else would always get them.
they don't give a **** if they lose fans - it just means they get less income and so they spend less on the team and so the downward spiral continues - of course it will all be the fans fault for showing no interest and not voting and not attending - of course they tried, of course they showed what it could be like but the fans were just not interested in what they were trying to do
But after the last parachute payment, that will change. I think they'll want rid then as they would be almost certainly losing money.
I think they'll pile debt into the SMC - bust that and give it back to the council and then see if the council try to get the money back off Hull City - ie try to get the council to bust the football team chasing the debt - I'm assuming there is no parent guarantee against Allamhouse on the basis that they 'saved' the club in the first place and no parent guarantee was part of that deal - perhaps that's bollocks, I'm sure someone will have better insight
I missed this yesterday, it does say the website is changing (though it also claims all social media platforms have been changed already, but the Academy twitter account is still Hull Tigers Academy)...
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Small beer I know, but we do seem to have gained the using of our club name
I know it’s slow, and I know it’s being dragged out unnecessarily, but without the meetings I genuinely don’t think we would have seen anything change at all.
Letters signed by Hull City
Social Media platforms changed to Hull City
Hull City being used on the electronic hoardings at the weekend
No I’m not ‘thankful’ for that. It was dreadful to stop using the name in the first place, and of course I’d prefer the occasional AFC thrown in too, but I don’t think any of those things would have happened without the meetings. They’ve also given a written commitment to change other things back too. TWT whether they do, but at least they’ve stopped pretending that they hadn’t consciously decided not to use the name, and committed to change it back.
Rather surprisingly, I've just had confirmation of my direct debit cancellation, from Hull City AFC Tigers Ltd. 
Ah...the shorter business names are the best....Rather surprisingly, I've just had confirmation of my direct debit cancellation, from Hull City AFC Tigers Ltd.
I missed none of it OLM, and just about every word is about the Allam's playing the blame game, on this occasion with the fans, and clearly it's all utter bollocks.
One of the more pathetic points in that statement, and there are many more, is that they state that our nickname, 'The Tigers', will still be used in conversational terms. This has clearly been inserted because the idiot boy blunder could not bring himself to utter the words 'Hull City' in any future interviews, he'd probably choke if he spoke our actual name. He is such a pathetic little runt that he's not even an excuse for a man!