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TreeHugger said:
Can't find a facepalm emoji. I'm sure if you were to refuse to hand it over then they could just void the card for the seat in question and make you go in with ID to reactiviate it then.
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According to what you posted they can't because its not part of the contract.
 
Obadiah said:
According to what you posted they can't because its not part of the contract.
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- you would have breached said contract by refusing to hand it over.
- it doesn't specify physically confiscate. Voiding it would be confiscating the use of it.

Anyway I'm leaving work now and have no interest in adding to pages of pointless theoretical discussions in my own time.

I had decided not to get involved the minute I saw mention of 'mute point'.
 
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TreeHugger said:
I think we have lost sight of what the actual propose system is in all of this discussion:

  1. We will be empowering stewards to do regular on the spot checks on the stadium grounds including: before entry, at the gates, in the stadium, whilst you are seated, and as you are leaving- in short, anywhere at any time in the stadium. You will need to be able to prove who you are, and if you can’t the membership card will be confiscated.
  2. If you are found to be abusing the revised rules i.e. using someone else’s card or using a card that is not the correct age group for you, the Club will confiscate your card on the spot and you will be ejected from the stadium.
  3. Following confiscation, to get your card back you will need to collect your card from the Stadium after 48 hours (during Ticket Zone opening hours). To collect your card you will need to prove your identity again with photo ID. If you have bought the incorrect card for your age group, you will need to pay the backdated amount for monies owed since you registered as a Member. You will also be charged a fine of £35. Please note, your card would be placed ‘on hold’ until the fine is paid.
They do not say they will eject you for refusing/being unable to prove your ID. Eviction is only mentioned if you are using somebody else's card or a card for a concession you are no tentitled to.

If you can't or won't prove your ID they will confiscate your card and expect you to get it back from them 48 hours later bringing ID with you.

So if you lend someone a ticket, make sure they refuse to show ID and you can collect it yourself later.
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But don't forget to take your ID and 35 quid
 
Obadiah said:
They have got through another season but at what cost? They have lost 4 or 5,000 supporters (maybe more) plus all the money those supporters would have spent on Hull City goods. If nothing changes Sky Sports will expect protests at televised matches next season which may affect how many matches above the minimum we get.

If they double the price and demand ID to watch Championship football will reduce the number of members considerably. They will lose supporters if they don't introduce concessions. Yes it is depressing but we have to learn to control the controllables. We don't own the club and they can do what they want up to a point. The only thing we can control is how and when we protest.

The Allams had an opportunity to take the sting out of the two most contentious issues facing the club. The name and concessions. They are in the process of throwing that opportunity away through their own incompetence. Sensible owners would have sat down with the supporters committee and hammered out a proposal on concessions that all the committee could sign up to and then held the vote.

Unfortunately we are owned by the Allams.
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The crowds will never return to full capacity.
People where used to paying £450 ish for a season pass.
By allowing adults season passes at £250 per season it has in return created the impression that there will be massive increases when in fact it isn' t in some cases.
Sparce times ahead I think whilst younsters find other clubs to follow
 
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Mr. Shoes said:
Pace code g extract:

...to enable the name of the person in question to be ascertained (in the case where the constable does not know, and cannot readily ascertain, the person’s name, or has reasonable grounds for doubting whether a name given by the person as his name is his real name):
An officer might decide that a person’s name cannot be readily ascertained if they fail or refuse to give it when asked, particularly after being warned that failure or refusal is likely to make their arrest necessary (see Note 2D). Grounds to doubt a name given may arise if the person appears reluctant or hesitant when asked to give their name or to verify the name they have given


That’s pretty irrefutable?
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And out of context.

Read what Supporters Direct say about giving your name.
 
Obadiah said:
Yes it is depressing but we have to learn to control the controllables. We don't own the club and they can do what they want up to a point. The only thing we can control is how and when we protest.
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Exactly this.
 
dennisboothstash said:
Still trying to have one then?
Fair play for not giving up.
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No; if that were the case I would post as often as you and be a great deal more pointed. I was under the impression there was a conversation, sharing views, but you chose to have a second dig (It's there) and I pointed that out and, clearly, you don't like that.

You say we share a similar view, but which one of yours do you mean, as you like to play the field, Dennis. Have you made a decision yet? Don't answer that, as I recognise it's your posting style; maybe it makes you look clever...
 
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Fez said:
No; if that were the case I would post as often as you and be a great deal more pointef. I was under the impression there was a conversation, sharing views, but you chose to have a second dig (It's there) and I pointed that out and, clearly, you don't like that.

You say we share a similar view, but which one of yours do you mean, as you like to play the field, Dennis. Have you made a decision yet? Don't answer that, as I recognise it's your posting style; maybe it makes you look clever...
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Made a decision on what?
 
Obadiah said:
What do you think will happen if the stewards try to evict someone for not showing their ID in the North Stand? Will their friends and the people stood around them just shrug their shoulders and say he got what was coming to him, he should have his passport in his pocket so he can comply with Allams' rules?
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Surely they would be carrying club photo ID cards, that prove their membership status? I, like others, wonder about the practicality of this across the full event's attendance, but it is the only half-sane way of proposing ID terms.
 
Fez said:
Surely they would be carrying club photo ID cards, that prove their membership status? I, like others, wonder about the practicality of this across the full event's attendance, but it is the only half-sane way of proposing ID terms.
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The membership cards would have no photo on them initially and you'd have to have another form of photo ID (it's all on the club website).
 
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originallambrettaman said:
The membership cards would have no photo on them initially and you'd have to have another form of photo ID (it's all on the club website).
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Okay, thanks; in that case I believe they have a problem in upholding it as a requirement of their policing policy. If it were challenged it would be considered legally unreasonable and would be ignored, whether someone signed up to it or not - it is only one part of a membership contract and wouldn't be considered the be all and end all.
 
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