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I really dont understand why both Ash & Woodhouse would say that. Yes the players take a lot of the blame but they're McCann's players.. Isnt it only De Wijs, Burke & Long that Adkins signed? It's McCann's team that he brought in, he selects the players to try and win a game, its his man management of those players..

Really annoying that anyone associated with the club could back McCann at this point. If he looked like he tried to stop the rot, changing formation, players, anything... but he never. He saw the absolute crap we were playing and turned out the same **** week after week.

His bloody press conferences too, especially after Wigan! The whole, we’ll analyse it & get back to the next one.:emoticon-0121-angry
Not a single, it’s the worst, absolutely disgraceful, performance. Did he even apologise?
 
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I don't get why there's such a debate about who is to blame at failing clubs, between the players and manager.

Obviously the players are the only ones who can perform and their performance is ultimately responsible so there is no question that they to blame.

Obviously the manager is the one person whose actual job it is to get them to perform. If you find yourself saying something like "the players didn't perform for him" then you are saying that the manager has failed to get them to perform. That is literally his job.

Warnock went into Boro and made the same players play better. Everyone in football knew he would do that because we've seen it so many times before.

I don't think there is a debate on here, more or less everyone says it's McCann's responsibiliy. I just mentioned what 2 ex players had said and they both firmly stated it was the players fault.

As I said I think in CW case he is just not wnat to be openly criticise McCann or the Allam's.
 
Of course the players must take some responsibility but for me the clincher as to who is most to blame is that in the first half of the season many of our players looked very decent - Long. Burke, de Wijs, Lopes, Elder, Stewart for example. In fact by early January Tom Eaves was beginning to look a handful in certain games too. Since then they have gone backwards. This might be partly their attitude but feels to me that Grant McCann failed to get the best out of them and rather than improving them as players, he took them backwards.
 
I don't think there is a debate on here, more or less everyone says it's McCann's responsibiliy. I just mentioned what 2 ex players had said and they both firmly stated it was the players fault.

As I said I think in CW case he is just not wnat to be openly criticise McCann or the Allam's.

He's got no problem criticising the Allams, that's why he gives McCann a free pass, he thinks it's them who's responsible for McCann failing.
 
I don't think there is a debate on here, more or less everyone says it's McCann's responsibiliy. I just mentioned what 2 ex players had said and they both firmly stated it was the players fault.

As I said I think in CW case he is just not wnat to be openly criticise McCann or the Allam's.

Anyone absolving the players from any blame for the second half of the season debacle needs their bumps read. I try to never single out players and coaches for criticism but, McCann leaves himself wide open with him 'seemingly' late and more than often not his like for like substitutions, his reluctance to change shape - my old boss used to quote ''if you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting'' - a suitable mantra for the Allams and coaching staff to ponder perhaps? However, whatever McCann's shortcomings, NOTHING can excuse some of the abject, bone idle and 'couldn't give a ****' performances of certain members of the squad - being poorly coached (if that's the case) cannot be used as an excuse to stroll about the pitch, not put in a tackle, not track back or not complete a five yard pass - that shows is zero pride in your own performance. Too many are not fit to wear the shirt, and that's not McCann's fault.
 
One year rolling contracts, that auto-renew if everyone is agreeable, have to be triggered by a certain date, you don't find out the day before.
Though I expect his is ongoing, otherwise he'd have gone by now.

I thought if his contract expired it would be at the end of the month, this Friday. From what you're saying he would have been told by now so it would have leaked out. You're probably right but here's hoping he's gone by next week or it's really looking bad for the fans..
 
Anyone absolving the players from any blame for the second half of the season debacle needs their bumps read. I try to never single out players and coaches for criticism but, McCann leaves himself wide open with him 'seemingly' late and more than often not his like for like substitutions, his reluctance to change shape - my old boss used to quote ''if you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting'' - a suitable mantra for the Allams and coaching staff to ponder perhaps? However, whatever McCann's shortcomings, NOTHING can excuse some of the abject, bone idle and 'couldn't give a ****' performances of certain members of the squad - being poorly coached (if that's the case) cannot be used as an excuse to stroll about the pitch, not put in a tackle, not track back or not complete a five yard pass - that shows is zero pride in your own performance. Too many are not fit to wear the shirt, and that's not McCann's fault.

How can it not be McCanns fault if they don't put effort in? It's his job to get them to play like they care and put effort in. If they don't then he has failed to do his job well enough.
 
How can it not be McCanns fault if they don't put effort in? It's his job to get them to play like they care and put effort in. If they don't then he has failed to do his job well enough.

That's total and utter ****e - if they don't want to track back, tackle and work for the team he can't make them, short of yukking them off and replacing them with U23's, you can't make people have pride in their job, that comes from within and to many of ours don't have it.
 
That's total and utter ****e - if they don't want to track back, tackle and work for the team he can't make them, short of yukking them off and replacing them with U23's, you can't make people have pride in their job, that comes from within and to many of ours don't have it.

That's simply not true, Warnock is the perfect example of a manager who can come in and raise the performances a level, he's done it multiple times, as has Allardyce.

Most of us think McCann looks out of his depth and find him completely uninspiring, it would hardly be a surprise if the players view him the same way.
 
That's total and utter ****e - if they don't want to track back, tackle and work for the team he can't make them, short of yukking them off and replacing them with U23's, you can't make people have pride in their job, that comes from within and to many of ours don't have it.

Did grant show any pride in his job?... Lead from the front!
 
That's total and utter ****e - if they don't want to track back, tackle and work for the team he can't make them, short of yukking them off and replacing them with U23's, you can't make people have pride in their job, that comes from within and to many of ours don't have it.

Warnock does it everywhere he goes. Turns around a bunch of players and suddenly they're fighting for their lives. Under Bruce and the Nigels we were the same.

To be fair to City's players specifically, I don't think they've been lazy or lacked commitment apart from the Wigan game where they gave up after a few goals had gone in. And to be fair to McCann he did what he could to deal with that by dropping a few key culprits. Ultimately the team under his coaching has been ****e and got worse as the season went on, regardless of effort levels.

But it's really more of a general point about the often posted question of whether to blame the manager or players. It can only ever be both, logically. If the manager isn't responsible for the team's performance then why have one?
 
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Anyone absolving the players from any blame for the second half of the season debacle needs their bumps read. I try to never single out players and coaches for criticism but, McCann leaves himself wide open with him 'seemingly' late and more than often not his like for like substitutions, his reluctance to change shape - my old boss used to quote ''if you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting'' - a suitable mantra for the Allams and coaching staff to ponder perhaps? However, whatever McCann's shortcomings, NOTHING can excuse some of the abject, bone idle and 'couldn't give a ****' performances of certain members of the squad - being poorly coached (if that's the case) cannot be used as an excuse to stroll about the pitch, not put in a tackle, not track back or not complete a five yard pass - that shows is zero pride in your own performance. Too many are not fit to wear the shirt, and that's not McCann's fault.

Of cause you are right, but you have to ask yourself why were the players acting in this way, it smells of a dressing room not performimg for the coach.

Just reading Phil Buck's article on Jackson Irvine, leads me to believe that McCann is more of a yes man than I thought. He praised the owners in his last one or two press conferences, but sounds as if he really let Irvine down and just accepted what Ehab said. If the players see this, no wonder they have no respect for him.
 
How can it not be McCanns fault if they don't put effort in? It's his job to get them to play like they care and put effort in. If they don't then he has failed to do his job well enough.

Of course McCann is accountable for their performances, but they are responsible, and there is a huge difference between the two.

Whether McCann is your manager or Warnock, you should give your all every single game. They are paid by Hull City to play for Hull City to the best of their ability. They are not paid by Hull City to hope a manager can motivate them, the fact they are getting paid to be a professional footballer should be more than enough. Saying the players aren't to blame is illogical.

McCann is as well to blame, and of course he needs to leave. But sacking him isn't not suddenly going to solve all of our problems, it solves one of the many many problems we have.
 
Of cause you are right, but you have to ask yourself why were the players acting in this way, it smells of a dressing room not performimg for the coach.

Just reading Phil Buck's article on Jackson Irvine, leads me to believe that McCann is more of a yes man than I thought. He praised the owners in his last one or two press conferences, but sounds as if he really let Irvine down and just accepted what Ehab said. If the players see this, no wonder they have no respect for him.

Or mebbe not performing for the owners? Senior pro's asked to finish the season unpaid, pay cuts - the place is rotting from the head down, there's **** coming out that shocks us so God only knows what we're not hearing about. I don't rate McCann but, those who blame him for 'everything' are wrong, imo.
 
Or mebbe not performing the owners? Senior pro's asked to finish the season unpaid, pay cuts - the place is rotting from the head down, there's **** coming out that shocks us so God only knows what we're not hearing about. I don't rate McCann but, those who blame him for 'everything' are wrong, imo.

There's barely anyone left that doesn't ultimately hold the Allams responsible for everything that's wrong with the club at the moment, but that doesn't absolve McCann from criticism for his selections, formation, like-for-like substitutions and talking bollocks about people outside boats and keeping everything in-house.
 
There's barely anyone left that doesn't ultimately hold the Allams responsible for everything that's wrong with the club at the moment, but that doesn't absolve McCann from criticism for his selections, formation, like-for-like substitutions and talking bollocks about people outside boats and keeping everything in-house.

And nor should it
 
Anyone absolving the players from any blame for the second half of the season debacle needs their bumps read. I try to never single out players and coaches for criticism but, McCann leaves himself wide open with him 'seemingly' late and more than often not his like for like substitutions, his reluctance to change shape - my old boss used to quote ''if you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting'' - a suitable mantra for the Allams and coaching staff to ponder perhaps? However, whatever McCann's shortcomings, NOTHING can excuse some of the abject, bone idle and 'couldn't give a ****' performances of certain members of the squad - being poorly coached (if that's the case) cannot be used as an excuse to stroll about the pitch, not put in a tackle, not track back or not complete a five yard pass - that shows is zero pride in your own performance. Too many are not fit to wear the shirt, and that's not McCann's fault.

In a number of instances it is Terrys fault, he was instrumental in them joining!
 
It's the fault of the Allams. I'm shocked as to why any Hull City fan is surprised where we are now. Most of us knew this where we were heading. I really don't want to say I told you so, but ****ing hell, it's been predicted by many on here so many times over the last few years, so why the big hoo-ha now?
 
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