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Most players prime years is deemed too old? Jesus
It’s the financial model, most expensive players to buy and to pay the wages. Resale value is in decline. Sell players at peak value and re-invest. If you can spend same wages on a player who is younger but playing to the same level but yet to peak then the transfer value is only going up, not down. Football is a money game and only those with cash to burn should be buying players at their peak. It makes a huge amount of sense as a strategy.
 
It’s the financial model, most expensive players to buy and to pay the wages. Resale value is in decline. Sell players at peak value and re-invest. If you can spend same wages on a player who is younger but playing to the same level but yet to peak then the transfer value is only going up, not down. Football is a money game and only those with cash to burn should be buying players at their peak. It makes a huge amount of sense as a strategy.
Fair enough, guess we just need to see how things play out, I say after knee jerk reacting all summer :emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
Can players agree a pre-contract with another English club?
The six-month rule when it comes to discussions regarding a future change of scenery relates to teams outside of the country in which the player plies their trade at that time.

players can, therefore, only enter into talks with interested parties outside of England – with the same regulations applying to those in Germany, Spain, Italy etc.

Any player looking to move from one English team to another as a free agent can only open talks after entering the final month of their previous contract – with that effectively delaying discussions until any given season has come to a close.
So he could sign for rangers?
 
I know I'm in a minority (probably of one) on this but I'm really disappointed with Mowbray and the way he's going about things with the way he's operating in the media. He's really whipping the fanbase up into a frenzy at the minute and to me it all seems to be about self preservation and to serve his own means. He knew the recruitment strategy and what he signed up for, he knew what he was coming into but yet he now seems desperate to publicly undermine it and it's causing everyone to lose faith. It's not fair on the hierarchy who have brought the club on so much in such a short period of time and it's not fair on the young lads and players we have already brought in.

I can understand that he may be frustrated (though he acknowledged himself that the recruitment team have done a great job and are working their arses off trying to get forwards in through the door) but for me that sort of thing should stay in house, communications with the fans should be managed but instead we're seeing fans on mass wanting us to dispense of the whole thing, wanting Speakman gone and calling KLD worse than ****e after one (and a half) bad results and with the window still open for three weeks.

The biggest challenge in my opinion, in moving the club forward in the way that they want to, was always going to be getting the fans on side and making sure they hold their nerve when things inevitably occasionally look a bit tricky. That would have been tricky anyway but it's nigh on impossible when you've got the head coach actively contributing to over the top, disproportionate hysteria.
 
Completely agree. But I'm actually struggling to see who our potential sales could be that wouldn't cause more damage than good at this end of the window. In an ideal world we'd have got a proper bid for Clarke at the start of the summer and been done quickly and then had tonnes of money to spend. Its why I was always a bit hesitant when people said definitely not for sale.

Of the players left who wouldn't cause disruption in final couple of weeks...

Stewart is the ideal one to sell for a good fee but can't see it happening.
Perhaps Hume. I love him and think he's destined for the top but we have Gooch and Huggins and even O'Nien who can cover him, so his leaving is minimal disruption compared to the others.

I don't want to lose either of the wingers, the midfielders or the centre backs as we are already short in those positions. Which essentially leaves injured players and Hume as the only obvious ones.

And frankly we shouldn't be selling those unless the fee is right.
The only one I could take losing would be Neil. Hypothetically say we got 10m for him, we could replace him with a good quality DM for half that, then another 5m for a striker.
 
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Just speaking of this fabled model, was chatting with a mate on the way out of the game. When KLD/KS first came in, we were sourcing players from the fringes of PL academies (Cirkin, Clarke, Ballard, Huggins) who weren't getting game time and could more or less hit the ground running at the club. This season we seem to have shifted further out by brining in even younger lads from foreign leagues who look (at first glance) as though they will need a few months to get up to speed. I wonder why this approach has changed - does the club feel it has a strong enough squad to "compete" and now has it's eyes firmly focused on the next 5 years? It's an interesting one for sure....

Its possible a lot load of top clubs have recognised what we have done & now when were showing interest in their so called 'failed' players if you like they think....hang on SAFC wouldnt want if he was no good we want xxx instead of just x as previous, will get harder for us to keep picking up UK players like we have

Lot of negativity kicking around, also possible this is being made worse now due to way club do business, as in not as many leaks, it may appear they are not doing enough but they maybe trying for the best possible target we can get rather than just signing 'a atriker', ive no clue i just hope we have learned from not strengthening in the striker position from last few windows, what i dont believe is KLD has come here to fail, i hope the model will evolve & its possible they are finding out with certain positions we might need to sign that little more experience.

We may well be close to that signing, again no idea, lot of stress & pressure inside the club at the moment, KS has done good job to date, TM has done an outstanding job to date, KS probably sees SAFC as the making of him & this model....TM has been around a long time, now has ideal big coub, close to home, probably his last chance of really achieving something....... hopefully there manages to be a bit of a hybrid model here & we get those last couple of additions needed as in the main this squad has the chance of another very good exciting season.... however we wont achieve that again without a goal scorer
 
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Its possible a lot load of top clubs have recognised what we have done & now when were showing interest in their so called 'failed' players if you like they think....hang on SAFC wouldnt want if he was no good we want xxx instead of just x as previous, will get harder for us to keep picking up UK players like we have

Lot of negativity kicking around, also possible this is being made worse now due to way club do business, as in not as many leaks, it may appear they are not doing enough but they maybe trying for the best possible target we can get rather than just signing 'a atriker', ive no clue i just hope we have learned from not strengthening in the striker position from last few windows, what i dont believe is KLD has come here to fail, i hope the model will evolve & its possible they are finding out with certain positions we might need to sign that little more experience.

We may well be close to that signing, again no idea, lot of stress & pressure inside the club at the moment, KS has done good job to date, TM has done an outstanding job to date, KS probably sees SAFC as the making of him & this model....TM has been around a long time, now has ideal big coub, close to home, probably his last chance of really achieving something....... hopefully there manages to be a bit of a hybrid model here & we get those last couple of additions needed as in the main this squad has the chance of another very good exciting season.... however we wont achieve that again with a goal scorer

Good post....however,I think you missed an " out" !:emoticon-0105-wink:
 
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Wow. Not so long ago everyone on here was saying what a great time it is to support the lads and recognising how far we've come under KLD. I'm not that fickle that my good will will disappear.
Sorry mate, but I don’t see posters as being fickle. The anxiety being expressed shows just how committed we all are to the club. No one has called for regime change, just worrying about what is going on and perhaps becoming a little impatient with the long-term plan. Criticism about the lack of progress in the striker hunt may be justified considering the length of time we’ve been waiting, but every club wants good goal scorers - that’s why they are so expensive; and we don’t know how much the club has available to spend. Yes, the owner has billions, but does he have ACCESS to those billions. As far as I know, his money is still in a trust fund controlled by trustees.
 
****in 'ell like. This is the first time I've seen somebody at the club admit Pritchard, Batth and Gooch are probable leavers

As I've said. I love the model. I just think the execution of it has been poor this summer. Unless they're pulling something out once there's been departures.

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I read that as the 3 of them want to move on and Tony is trying to balance their wants with our needs. Fair enough. I reckon the article also shows how committed he is personally.

Baath - hasnt looked right so far this season. Time for him yet of course.

Pritchard - Dack may well get more game time.

Gooch - I would keep him here, but if wants to go he has earned it.
 
Sorry mate, but I don’t see posters as being fickle. The anxiety being expressed shows just how committed we all are to the club. No one has called for regime change, just worrying about what is going on and perhaps becoming a little impatient with the long-term plan. Criticism about the lack of progress in the striker hunt may be justified considering the length of time we’ve been waiting, but every club wants good goal scorers - that’s why they are so expensive; and we don’t know how much the club has available to spend. Yes, the owner has billions, but does he have ACCESS to those billions. As far as I know, his money is still in a trust fund controlled by trustees.

Good strikers are gold dust in whatever division. It's an indication that it's the one area we've really failed to address in the KLD era. Roscoe was a gift,but since then we've really struggled,and when he got injured,it became a real problem......and still is!
 
Seems to me a lot of people putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5. Just my opinion, but not based on just blind hope and optimism either.

There is no rift. That is language used to be emotive, journos like it for headlines, I dont fall for it. There will and should be disagreements, they are grown up experts in their fields who shouldnt be here if they dont have strong opinions. Like Mowbray says we should trust Harvey who does a brilliant job (dont forget they worked together before us). Mowbray knows the craic and he isnt throwing his toys out of the pram. He will be frustrated and setting expectations, as he should be, but he wont be ranting and raving.

This bringing up the Italian coach thing is way off. It was a non story in the summer, and even more so now. All Barnes did was pass on some of his own opinions because of a tweet he reas and it is back as some sort of reality. I understand why people say there is more to it, but I disagree. There was nothing whatsoever in the way Barnes spoke, or the words he used, that suggested he was doing anybodies bidding. It was simply him passing on his musings.

Is Mowbray more downbeat in interviews. Subtle if so. He has never been the life and soul. We lauded him for downplaying expectations all last season, now we seem to want to read into the same downplaying as he is fed up and about to walk. There is no balance to this.

Bottom line he wants a striker. He knows he isnt getting a finished article. He knows he has a say, but not the only say. He openly says the recruitment team have done a great job over the last few windows. He wants one now, rather than in 2 weeks, well so do I, but not if it means missing out on one in 2 weeks that is 20% better. This is where Mowbray needs to stay steady, seasons are not defined in 2 or 3 games, if we can get the better option next week rather than this week, we should be sensible. Mowbray himself has said in 6 or 7 weeks we could have Stewart back in the squad. Imagine, he could still play twice the number of games for us this season than he did last season. That, plus another striker or two, and by Christmas we will all be saying what a great summer we had. After all, a couple of weeks ago the club were the bees knees for getting some good early business done and holding firm on Clarke...

Decent read :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
Been in meeting most of the day, can see theres loads of pages since being on. Guessing i havent missed out on any rumours etc and its just been the same talk as last few days?

Dont mean that to come across cheeky (if it does then sorry), just cant be bothered going through all the pages if its just discussions around the model n lack of a striker
 
Been in meeting most of the day, can see theres loads of pages since being on. Guessing i havent missed out on any rumours etc and its just been the same talk as last few days?

Dont mean that to come across cheeky (if it does then sorry), just cant be bothered going through all the pages if its just discussions around the model n lack of a striker

No just the same **** as last night
 
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Been in meeting most of the day, can see theres loads of pages since being on. Guessing i havent missed out on any rumours etc and its just been the same talk as last few days?

Dont mean that to come across cheeky (if it does then sorry), just cant be bothered going through all the pages if its just discussions around the model n lack of a striker
Just been through all the pages myself and confirm nothing on transfer rumours coming in (only about potentially Baath Pritchard and Gooch leaving) so you haven't missed anything <doh>
 
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What to we reckon? Replacements all ready in the building.

Pritchard - Dack

Batth - Trinstis / Steedt

Gooch - Huggins

Then maybe two CF and the squad is complete until January 24.
DCM also needed.
I think the answer depends on the quality of who we sign. If we get two /3 with quality we might be ok.
I think the replacements you mention reduce our age and probably our wage and offer growth. Would playing them instead on Saturday mean we are more or less likely to win ? Dack maybe yes, the others no.
 
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