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Dack is evidence that the model isn't set in stone. There's no way we'd have signed him otherwise. It must be more complicated than Mowbray not getting what he wants.

The problem is that whilst the powers that be have no issue signing experienced players, they appear reluctant to pay a fee for them - Pritchard, Batth, Evans, Roberts, Dack - all came on free transfers. We seem to only pay a fee for young players (Clarke, Cirkin, Ballard etc) which leaves us scratching about for an experienced striker available on a free.......
 
Then Speakman and KLD will get their preferred "young foreign coach" appointment, which will invariably go wrong and we'll bring in a fire fighter to keep us up. Rinse and repeat

Does anyone get the feeling that Mowbray was only ever supposed to be a stop gap, but his success has put Speakman on the back foot? Had we got rid in the summer there would have been uproar and now they are waiting to fall on his own sword?
Bingo
 
Then Speakman and KLD will get their preferred "young foreign coach" appointment, which will invariably go wrong and we'll bring in a fire fighter to keep us up. Rinse and repeat

Does anyone get the feeling that Mowbray was only ever supposed to be a stop gap, but his success has put Speakman on the back foot? Had we got rid in the summer there would have been uproar and now they are waiting to fall on his own sword?


Agree with this. Just seen it as it's been quoted again.
 
Seems to me a lot of people putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5. Just my opinion, but not based on just blind hope and optimism either.

There is no rift. That is language used to be emotive, journos like it for headlines, I dont fall for it. There will and should be disagreements, they are grown up experts in their fields who shouldnt be here if they dont have strong opinions. Like Mowbray says we should trust Harvey who does a brilliant job (dont forget they worked together before us). Mowbray knows the craic and he isnt throwing his toys out of the pram. He will be frustrated and setting expectations, as he should be, but he wont be ranting and raving.

This bringing up the Italian coach thing is way off. It was a non story in the summer, and even more so now. All Barnes did was pass on some of his own opinions because of a tweet he reas and it is back as some sort of reality. I understand why people say there is more to it, but I disagree. There was nothing whatsoever in the way Barnes spoke, or the words he used, that suggested he was doing anybodies bidding. It was simply him passing on his musings.

Is Mowbray more downbeat in interviews. Subtle if so. He has never been the life and soul. We lauded him for downplaying expectations all last season, now we seem to want to read into the same downplaying as he is fed up and about to walk. There is no balance to this.

Bottom line he wants a striker. He knows he isnt getting a finished article. He knows he has a say, but not the only say. He openly says the recruitment team have done a great job over the last few windows. He wants one now, rather than in 2 weeks, well so do I, but not if it means missing out on one in 2 weeks that is 20% better. This is where Mowbray needs to stay steady, seasons are not defined in 2 or 3 games, if we can get the better option next week rather than this week, we should be sensible. Mowbray himself has said in 6 or 7 weeks we could have Stewart back in the squad. Imagine, he could still play twice the number of games for us this season than he did last season. That, plus another striker or two, and by Christmas we will all be saying what a great summer we had. After all, a couple of weeks ago the club were the bees knees for getting some good early business done and holding firm on Clarke...
The voice of reason.
 
IMHO Mowbray isn't a journeyman manager any more, he has done his time travelling around the country for jobs.... He seems settled in the North East and things would have to be really bad for him to walk..... That said he comes across as a man of principal so if he did walk, things would have to be really bad...lets see what the near future holds, never boring at Sunderland is it.
 
Feels like the House of Cards is about to fall. If TM walks over a lack of signings (and that will essentially be 2 managers in 12 months to do the same) then the last remaining good will towards the club will seep away. Very important 3 weeks coming up
Wow. Not so long ago everyone on here was saying what a great time it is to support the lads and recognising how far we've come under KLD. I'm not that fickle that my good will will disappear.
 
Wow. Not so long ago everyone on here was saying what a great time it is to support the lads and recognising how far we've come under KLD. I'm not that fickle that my good will will disappear.
Most people trust the club and the model. But if we lose another manager for the want of a couple of signings then people will rightly question the club. You cannot build a promotion side with 18yo's from Spain who have never played senior football
 
Wow. Not so long ago everyone on here was saying what a great time it is to support the lads and recognising how far we've come under KLD. I'm not that fickle that my good will will disappear.
You are 100% right, but things in football change at a very quick pace. Can you remember the feel good factor under Peter Reid...we were flying. The stadium was a place for other teams to fear. we were a couple of top draw signing away from a truly great team....The board either didn't want to or couldn't afford to supply....the decline after that was break neck speed. The time to invest in quality is when you're riding high..we never seem to grasp that nettle.
 
Just speaking of this fabled model, was chatting with a mate on the way out of the game. When KLD/KS first came in, we were sourcing players from the fringes of PL academies (Cirkin, Clarke, Ballard, Huggins) who weren't getting game time and could more or less hit the ground running at the club. This season we seem to have shifted further out by brining in even younger lads from foreign leagues who look (at first glance) as though they will need a few months to get up to speed. I wonder why this approach has changed - does the club feel it has a strong enough squad to "compete" and now has it's eyes firmly focused on the next 5 years? It's an interesting one for sure....
 
You are 100% right, but things in football change at a very quick pace. Can you remember the feel good factor under Peter Reid...we were flying. The stadium was a place for other teams to fear. we were a couple of top draw signing away from a truly great team....The board either didn't want to or couldn't afford to supply....the decline after that was break neck speed. The time to invest in quality is when you're riding high..we never seem to grasp that nettle.
Same when we beat Everton 3-0 and BSA was in charge. Fast forward 3 months and Dr Doom is at the helm and everything fell away,
 
Wow. Not so long ago everyone on here was saying what a great time it is to support the lads and recognising how far we've come under KLD. I'm not that fickle that my good will will disappear.
People need to remember where we were not that long a go. KLD came into a complete mess of a club. Is everything perfect atm, no. There is still much work to do, but we are on the right path.
 
We certainly don’t seem to be building in that direction. To paraphrase Hansen with hopefully the same accuracy, you don’t win automatic promotion with kids.
Worked out well for Hansen that quote didnt it. Being young doesnt mean you have no experience. I look at players I think are nailed on first teamers and say they are experienced - Patterson, Cirkin, Ballard, Neil, Clarke, Roberts, Stewart. Then I look at likely squad lads and they are experienced - ONien, Baath, Dack, Pritchard, Evans, Gooch. Experience isnt the gap for me at all.
 
the only player we've lost from last season who's had a big impact into the run in of the playoff is amad,

now apparently we are well off, mid table at best and everything at the club is ****,

we don't need much, and come the end of september

we'll have players back from injury aswell

people keep look at are squad and saying it's **** but then forgetting we have 5 players out injured who will all probably be on the bench or starting , we don't need much at all

striker and a winger are the main two

sounds daft but saturday is already turning into a big game, just to get some feel good factor back
I don’t think it is tbf!
The team seem to really get along and I very much doubt they think the seasons ****ed because we’ve a few injuries and lost a game on pens and by a lucky goal.
 
You are 100% right, but things in football change at a very quick pace. Can you remember the feel good factor under Peter Reid...we were flying. The stadium was a place for other teams to fear. we were a couple of top draw signing away from a truly great team....The board either didn't want to or couldn't afford to supply....the decline after that was break neck speed. The time to invest in quality is when you're riding high..we never seem to grasp that nettle.
You're right - I remember some arse throwing a can of beer at Reid in pre-season game. Some fans - what can you do?
Also right about time to strengthen. I reckon we'll get a young foreign player and a PL loan in before the widow shuts.
 
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Just speaking of this fabled model, was chatting with a mate on the way out of the game. When KLD/KS first came in, we were sourcing players from the fringes of PL academies (Cirkin, Clarke, Ballard, Huggins) who weren't getting game time and could more or less hit the ground running at the club. This season we seem to have shifted further out by brining in even younger lads from foreign leagues who look (at first glance) as though they will need a few months to get up to speed. I wonder why this approach has changed - does the club feel it has a strong enough squad to "compete" and now has it's eyes firmly focused on the next 5 years? It's an interesting one for sure....

The approach may have altered slightly as they saw the way TM and his staff were able to engage with the young players and improve them?
 
People need to remember where we were not that long a go. KLD came into a complete mess of a club. Is everything perfect atm, no. There is still much work to do, but we are on the right path.

I agree that we’re on the right path but basic things aren’t being done which is concerning.

I’m sure we’ll get there but it’ll be without Tony Mowbray imo.
 
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Hope they take note all well and good waiting for the right one but if that falls through like January the backlash will be massive, a solid striker and midfielder could be the difference between finishing 5th or 15th with how ridiculously tight this league is
Mowbray falling into the 'sign any ****er' camp. Wonder what his login is OTR?
 
People need to remember where we were not that long a go. KLD came into a complete mess of a club. Is everything perfect atm, no. There is still much work to do, but we are on the right path.
Spot on mate. Football is an emotional game though and it’s frustrating to see good approach play let down by the lack of a striker / centre forward.

Wrenching myself out of the here and now emotion, a couple more games for Dack and he looks like he will be a great addition to our play in and around the box. Not a striker but a definite goal threat and a foil for the other forward players.
 
People need to remember where we were not that long a go. KLD came into a complete mess of a club. Is everything perfect atm, no. There is still much work to do, but we are on the right path.

Christ, I don’t think we will ever forget where we were.

Just need to balance things a bit more, a more experienced striker who has already played at a similar level to Championship will compliment the kids. But that doesn’t mean sign any old journeyman who wants a final pay day.
 
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