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WorkyTicketFTM said:
Oh 100% if it’s careless. I see it from from both sides, the club are trying to protect themselves but if you were in Stewart’s shoes you’d be thinking I fired the goals to get us promoted, was scoring nearly a goal a game in the championship and now I’ve got clubs offering X amount of wages whilst my own club won’t offer me a new contract on less than what I’m being offered elsewhere until I prove I can stay fit which is running his contract down even further. It’s probably a kick in the teeth for him.

Personally I don’t really care who stays or goes if the moneys right, I get more of a buzz out of finding someone better to replace them but if I was in his shoes I’d probably be a bit pissed off.

He has less than 12 months on his contract and he’s 26/27, his next deal is an important one for him and his family he’s been on ****e money most of his career. If I was in that position I’d want the security.
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From what the ITK’s seem to be saying, the contract that was on the table before the second injury was a good one. It should’ve really been sorted last summer thats the main problem I have
 
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Sour Patch said:
From what the ITK’s seem to be saying, the contract that was on the table before the second injury was a good one. It should’ve really been sorted last summer thats the main problem I have
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The problem is that you can't force any player to agree to a contract ...

... which can make it look like you're not trying hard enough.

Stewart is doing himself no favours imo.

If he becomes seen as someone trying to blackmail a club, that's supported him through two injuries, he won't do his prospects any good. Even Sunderland supporters, who've seen him in action, are starting to turn against him.

His face, during the lap of honour, did it for me tbh.
 
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Sour Patch said:
From what the ITK’s seem to be saying, the contract that was on the table before the second injury was a good one. It should’ve really been sorted last summer thats the main problem I have
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They were close to what he wanted before the injury, and then reverted their offer after the injury... So I think you can slightly understand why he has not signed.
 
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Wages to turnover is a big thing in the new ffp rules. See the excerpt here

Under the new regulations, clubs will be limited to spending 70% percent of their revenue on wages, transfers and agents' fees.
When will they start?
UEFA's new rules will come into effect in June but clubs will have three years to implement them.
It is expected that clubs will be allowed to spend 90% of their income in 2023/24 and 80% in 2024/25, before the rules come into full force in 2025/26.

We are ahead of the curve based on last year's accounts but with new contracts and not a huge increase in income we will be pushing it.

It why I get so frustrated at the off the field stuff. Literally every penny extra made contributes to the on the field things.
 
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Sol97uk said:
Mowbray has to be involved with recruitment discussions as players aren't just going to be dumped on him. I think as a collective team they would identify areas that need addressed, if the head coach wasn't involved with that the model wouldn't work as the person working day in day out with the players would know the areas best to address.

I think Bob was probably right about Mowbray having a list but the players would need to be backed up by the data we use, probably dack was the only one who's data worked and no fee involved. The others may not have or the fee was too high.
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Think it is good to note that TM has not stated that he does not get involved with transfers but he has said that he does not really get involved with contract negotiations which is very different, but I guess there will be some interactions between the two.
 
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Smug in Boots said:
In ny view its an opinion rather than a technical issue.

I'd say Speakman is directly instructed by the owner, represents the club and carries out the owners wishes. The manager isn't directly instructed by the owner and reports to Speakman.

I don't believe Speakman reports to Mowbray in the same way. So, although they're both employees as you rightly say, there's a subtle difference imo.
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TBF I get what you mean but I think like this. We are the club, as owners directors they all come and go and they are only custodians of our club but we the supporters are always there, through thick and thin. so yes the chairman/owner invariably pull the strings and set the hierarchy but the club will always be ours.
 
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Culinary said:
The things that in my opinion were less than favourable would be:
  • Saying he wants, and thinks the squad needs, more experienced players but the club won’t entertain it. For a start we’ve just signed Dack so it’s not even accurate. Then it just completely undermines the club’s entire philosophy going forward. It suggests there is disagreement behind the scenes and exposes it. It distances himself from the model and responsibility for the squad. It implies the squad is fundamentally flawed and will remain so going into the new season, in his opinion at least.

  • Saying that if we’d offered Stewart what he wants then he’d sign the contract. I realise it was probably a slightly clumsy way of saying that he likes it here and wants to stay really but it just gave ammunition to the ‘just pay him what he wants’ and ‘KLD is tight/has no ambition’ brigade. Saying that he’s had players knocking on his door saying to give him what he wants because they all love him so much could raise concern about unity in the club and impact on the dressing room if he goes.

  • Saying we won’t pay what Everton want for Tom Cannon and have been priced out again plays into the hands of the same brigade mentioned above. He’s right but if he was presenting the club line then he could have said something about it not representing value etc.
  • Saying he thinks the club should have already have Roberts tied down to a contract and would have him on a ten year contract again undermines the hierarchy and suggests discourse.
All of the above is given with the caveat of that I wasn’t there and I’m only going off reports of what was said.
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If i remember correctly the club or KS said something along the lines of the club do not want to pay transfer fees for any player over the age of 26 or something like that. this means they dont mind bringing in experienced players over that age but will look to get them on a free. everybody seems to think we are only singing young players but over the last few years we have brought in Baath, Pritchard, Evans and now Dack so are we really doing that bad.
 
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TPFNAC said:
Wages to turnover is a big thing in the new ffp rules. See the excerpt here

Under the new regulations, clubs will be limited to spending 70% percent of their revenue on wages, transfers and agents' fees.
When will they start?
UEFA's new rules will come into effect in June but clubs will have three years to implement them.
It is expected that clubs will be allowed to spend 90% of their income in 2023/24 and 80% in 2024/25, before the rules come into full force in 2025/26.

We are ahead of the curve based on last year's accounts but with new contracts and not a huge increase in income we will be pushing it.

It why I get so frustrated at the off the field stuff. Literally every penny extra made contributes to the on the field things.
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This was our promotion season in L1, so last season would’ve been even better for us.

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Mowbray appears to be honest and straight talking which I like. I don't think he wants to undermine the club or anyone working there tbh.

I'm sure Mowbray could trip off five players he'd like, without hesitation, but that means nothing. They may not be available, wouldn't come north of Watford, want too much money or would be disruptive in the dressing room.

There are bound to be disagreements just as there are on here ...

... only people who choose to analyse every word and nuance get upset imo.

They're all big boys and I'm sure they don't try to get each other at playtime.
 
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WorkyTicketFTM said:
This was our promotion season in L1, so last season would’ve been even better for us.

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And wages went up as well, it's all relative.
Then workout 70% of turnover is allowed for wages and even if we turnover £30 million the maximum we can have for wages will be £21 million. Over a 25 man squad that's not a huge amount to be spread around.

Then add in agents fees etc
 
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Billy Batts said:
If his attitude is like his old man's then we're best staying well clear.
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Quite right, and that's obviously important to the recruitment team ...

... we've signed some talented players who've stunk the place out.

Grigg was clearly better than he was here, just sulked for the entire time.
 
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Hudson92 said:
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Worth noting it’s not too long since we opened a championship campaign with this side, we are in a good place
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Don’t think I’ve ever looked forward to a season as much as this to be honest. Sunderland was buzzing before the Luton play off game hopefully it’s not long before it’s like that before every game again.
 
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COYCS said:
Patterson,
Cirkin, Ballard, Triantis, Hume
Neil, Ekwah,
Bellingham
Clarke, Stewart, and Roberts.

SUBS
Bishop
Huggins Johnson Seelt Alese
Matete BA
Rigg
Mayendo Hemir Bennette
.
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Tidied and completed.
Not a bad squad to start off 24/25 season before this window ending then January window then the summer seasons window recruitment

Anybody who wants to criticise our recruitment model. Just take a look at this progressive evolving squad.
Intfact. Wake me up because I must be in my pre season dream.
The 65th year in a row I've had similar dreams.

Enjoy the season
HTL FTM STID
 
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