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WorkyTicketFTM said:
Disagree about Phillips I think he was signed as back up and that’s it. Said at the time there’s not a chance he’s getting into their Xl ahead of Rodri.

Phillips and Rice have never really “dominated games” for England other than against poor opposition. Playing the 2 of them together is our Achilles heel. Remember the euros final against Italy? They got absolutely dismantled.

You don’t need Phillips on the pitch whilst Rice is there, you’d never see City line up with Rodri and Phillips in the same team.

Southgate hasn’t got the bollocks to play 2 creative midfielders with rice and continually leaves our better players out, with a better manager that squad would’ve won something. All this nonsense about creating a good bond within the team is great but being mates with players from rival clubs doesn’t win trophies.
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Pep even prefers to play Stones in the holding midfielder role now infront of Phillips alongside Rodri. Says it all.
He was a strange signing for them really and he let his head over rule his heart. He should never have made such a big step up so soon
 
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John Wick said:
Two players that believed their own hype. Then when the moves to real Madrid didn't happen, they vanished up their own arses. Jude Bellingham is the prime example, go away, learn your trade and good things will happen.
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I think moving abroad is a fantastic opportunity for these young lads to grow up a bit. It worked wonders for Sancho and its gone to **** since he came back.
 
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Scout73 said:
He is lazy and has done nothing for quite a few yrs now. TM n speakman talk a lot about players with a growth mindset n hes def not got that, hes been at the top n hes on his way dwn now
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I would be against singing him.
 
Nads said:
Yeah absolutely. It does seem though in the English lads, if they do move clubs young to a big club it’s never from a PL start, there’s a real pattern.

Stones came from Barnsley to Everton is a prime example, are they more grounded that way? Just been reading Stones even now saying ‘I never thought I’d make it pro’. He’s one of the top 5 CB in world now.

Can’t think of many who have moved within PL who set world on fire. Obviously there’s your Rooney etc but general rule, if you comb England squad.

Walker -Sheff United - Spurs - City
Stones - Barnsley -Everton - City
Maguire - Hull - Leicester - United

Seems they either start and stay at a top club or start from lower, not many ‘in between’

Mentality thing I stopped at lower league maybe, and nurturing and understanding from one club at other end.
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Remember when we nearly signed Stones from Barnsley but wouldn’t pay the £3m they wanted <doh>
 
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Nads said:
I disagree somewhat.

Picks was tossed in in the Premier League while Patto was brought back from Gateshead.

Had Patto started at the higher level we will never know.

I love Picks but I don’t see anything bar his distribution that Patto isn’t strong and improving on, and he has that extra height.

Picks stepped up quickly because he was a boisterous, cocky kid. Patto could be as good for sure in my opinion, just kind of ‘circumstances’

I also not that looks like I’ve posted 2 on the bounce arguing you here, I’m confident you know this isn’t a targeted attack or owt amigo ha.
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Southern A said:
O’Nien continues to improve and impress. He’s a workhorse and more talented than he gets credit for.

like others have said he doesn’t get in the team when everyone fit but I maintain he’s the perfect sub option. And he will likely start 30+ games next season any way, let’s face it
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When everyone is fit and in really good form, even slightly below par and O’Nien will be as good as most of the defence. His ability to come out with the ball should not be underestimated and has been critical to the way we play.
 
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steesafc said:
Lads I've had a few bevs but how much better is the way we have our club now to what we had to go through before it.

Theres an actual plan, with owners who aren't trying with everything they have to pull the wool and have us convinced that 8th in League One is acceptable at this club. Honestly I couldn't be more optimistic. The recruitment is exciting as **** as the football we played all last season would coax a stiffy from the oldest most impotent of gadgies.

Haway the ****ing lads.
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It's fantastic not to be thinking of offloading the dead wood and instead thinking of who we're going to add to an already very good squad.
Long may the optimism continue.
 
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Teessidemackem said:
Pep even prefers to play Stones in the holding midfielder role now infront of Phillips alongside Rodri. Says it all.
He was a strange signing for them really and he let his head over rule his heart. He should never have made such a big step up so soon
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Stones doesn't play the holding role in a traditional sense though. It's a hybrid role basically invented by Guardiola. If I could describe it as anything, I'd say he's an inverted centre back. It's the next evolution of the Cancelo/Zinchenko role rather than a traditional midfielder. The defensive responsibilities are far more important.

Phillips is unfortunately competing with Rodri for a single position and he's never going to win that shirt.
 
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