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[Frazier the Lion]

Promoted teams being hindered by FFP including any losses in the championship where you get 100m less every season is sort of ruining it but there are implications for changing that too - you can't discount losses in the championship so maybe you have to treat it like a hypothetical premier league season?

Very tough to do.

Do you take money off premier league teams and distribute it more throughout the pyramid? They would never risk the premier league not being the biggest league in the world even at the expense of the pyramid.

There's little easy fixes that would help around the edges. For instance it's a complete nonsense that any parachute money 'saved' by the PL from a yoyo club is redistributed between the other PL clubs. That could make a difference if it was shared amongst the champ.

 

[safcrd16]

Different profile, O'riley is best in the AM role

Probably not one for us then ?

 

[safcrd16]

I’d say there’s zero chance of him signing here, he’s quality

Southampton nearly signed him last summer, and apparently there’s a good chance he leaves this summer. Don’t think he’s cemented a place in Brighton’s team since joining

 

[LD19SAFC]

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[LD19SAFC]

Southampton nearly signed him last summer, and apparently there’s a good chance he leaves this summer. Don’t think he’s cemented a place in Brighton’s team since joining

He was injured for quite a bit. He’s a lot better than a PL relegation scrap imo

 

[Nads]

I'm still not totally sure about the promoted teams are ****ed narrative, this season will be telling for if it really is the case.

Only 2 seasons ago all 3 stayed up but the last 2 have been the worst performances by each collective 3 ever. If one or two teams survive it will show just how poorly the last 6 recruited and if none do it will show that 3 consecutive years of the same 17 teams has caused an impenetrable midtable that reaches down to 17th place.

100%. I get folk saying Brentford and Brighton have earned their place, but then it isn’t impossible for us to do the same.

If we stabilise, it will not be the first time we’ve been in the PL and well backed, however it will be first time we’ve have been PL and well run.

We’ll run just like Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton, but with a bit more prestige and a massive fan base.

Us and Leeds can bridge that gap, we were by far and away the biggest clubs outside the PL, we are bigger than many in it.

We’ll run can first aim to emulate then aim to exceed due to the higher ceiling.

4th bottom and next summer it’s on.

 

[Tommy2]

I'm still not totally sure about the promoted teams are ****ed narrative, this season will be telling for if it really is the case.

Only 2 seasons ago all 3 stayed up but the last 2 have been the worst performances by each collective 3 ever. If one or two teams survive it will show just how poorly the last 6 recruited and if none do it will show that 3 consecutive years of the same 17 teams has caused an impenetrable midtable that reaches down to 17th place.

Call me deluded but I have a hunch that 2/3 will stay up and it'll be a bit of a shock. Always seems to be the opposite in football when things appear nailed on.

 

[alcoauth]

I sent this in the premier league 25/26 thread but:

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Time will now tell if this trend of the last 2 seasons will continue or if the promoted 3 can resort to the mean of averaging about 35-40 each.

Interesting graph.

There is definitely a general and gradient trend downwards for the last 10-15 years, with 22-23 being an outlier, I think we should be realistic in that it's very likely we're not going to be able to overcome the likes of Wolves, Man Utd, West Ham, Everton (17th-14th), and stay up but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have a right good go at it and even if worst comes to worst we leave with a lot of money that puts us in a stronger position to come back up and make an even better go at it.

 

[Mackem78]

There's always an over achiever, and an under performer. Hopefully we over achieve.

 

[E.T. Fairfax]

The scariest part for me is trying to identify a team that could be dragged into a relegation battle while also trying to be better than Leeds and Burnley. Spurs finished 17th with 38 points, however I'm pretty confident in saying that if they were in an actual relegation battle they would've been mid table, they put all their eggs into the Europa League basket and they were never in any real danger of going down. Same with Man Utd, I just can't see a world where they are in real danger.

Wolves, for me, are the club in the most danger of being dragged into a fight. Already lost Cunha and looks like Ait-Nouri is going to City which is their two best players gone, however I suspect they will bring in around £100m just for those two players which gives them spending power to add to an already decent squad. They also have a good coach.

Everton you have to think they will invest and Moyes will have them in and around mid table at their new stadium.

West Ham are interesting. Again though I expect them to invest heavily into players suited to Potter and they already have players like Bowen who is probably a top 10 winger in the league.

Palace could struggle playing Europa League football but Glasner is superb and I think with them being a London club and having European football they'll be able to attract quality. If they can keep a hold of most of their best players they shouldn't be in danger.

Fulham, Brentford and Bournemouth all have good coaches but have all been linked away which could cause problems for them. Also looks like Brentford and Bournemouth are going to lose their better players but obviously that gives them the opportunity to spend.

Could Forest collapse? Conference League so two games a week, possible that MGW leaves and serious friction between Nuno and the owner.

Scary to look at but there's always someone who has a **** season, just have to hope it's not a Spurs this time.

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[E.T. Fairfax]

The scariest part for me is trying to identify a team that could be dragged into a relegation battle while also trying to be better than Leeds and Burnley. Spurs finished 17th with 38 points, however I'm pretty confident in saying that if they were in an actual relegation battle they would've been mid table, they put all their eggs into the Europa League basket and they were never in any real danger of going down. Same with Man Utd, I just can't see a world where they are in real danger.

Wolves, for me, are the club in the most danger of being dragged into a fight. Already lost Cunha and looks like Ait-Nouri is going to City which is their two best players gone, however I suspect they will bring in around £100m just for those two players which gives them spending power to add to an already decent squad. They also have a good coach.

Everton you have to think they will invest and Moyes will have them in and around mid table at their new stadium.

West Ham are interesting. Again though I expect them to invest heavily into players suited to Potter and they already have players like Bowen who is probably a top 10 winger in the league.

Palace could struggle playing Europa League football but Glasner is superb and I think with them being a London club and having European football they'll be able to attract quality. If they can keep a hold of most of their best players they shouldn't be in danger.

Fulham, Brentford and Bournemouth all have good coaches but have all been linked away which could cause problems for them. Also looks like Brentford and Bournemouth are going to lose their better players but obviously that gives them the opportunity to spend.

Could Forest collapse? Conference League so two games a week, possible that MGW leaves and serious friction between Nuno and the owner.

Scary to look at but there's always someone who has a **** season, just have to hope it's not a Spurs this time.

Now that you have made clarity of the situation, we are seriously going to have to over achieve and not rely on others chucking a wobbly..

 

[Southern A]

The scariest part for me is trying to identify a team that could be dragged into a relegation battle while also trying to be better than Leeds and Burnley. Spurs finished 17th with 38 points, however I'm pretty confident in saying that if they were in an actual relegation battle they would've been mid table, they put all their eggs into the Europa League basket and they were never in any real danger of going down. Same with Man Utd, I just can't see a world where they are in real danger.

Wolves, for me, are the club in the most danger of being dragged into a fight. Already lost Cunha and looks like Ait-Nouri is going to City which is their two best players gone, however I suspect they will bring in around £100m just for those two players which gives them spending power to add to an already decent squad. They also have a good coach.

Everton you have to think they will invest and Moyes will have them in and around mid table at their new stadium.

West Ham are interesting. Again though I expect them to invest heavily into players suited to Potter and they already have players like Bowen who is probably a top 10 winger in the league.

Palace could struggle playing Europa League football but Glasner is superb and I think with them being a London club and having European football they'll be able to attract quality. If they can keep a hold of most of their best players they shouldn't be in danger.

Fulham, Brentford and Bournemouth all have good coaches but have all been linked away which could cause problems for them. Also looks like Brentford and Bournemouth are going to lose their better players but obviously that gives them the opportunity to spend.

Could Forest collapse? Conference League so two games a week, possible that MGW leaves and serious friction between Nuno and the owner.

Scary to look at but there's always someone who has a **** season, just have to hope it's not a Spurs this time.

Good analysis. What it highlights for me is that we could have an extremely good season, do everything close to perfect, and still be relegated.

 

[SourPatch2]

Now that you have made clarity of the situation, we are seriously going to have to over achieve and not rely on others chucking a wobbly..

Probably going to need a bit of both. I'm not 100% clear on who is close to the PSR/FFP limits so maybe someone can't spend and/or ends up with a points deduction

 

[darthmixalot1]

Its not as hard as all that. Just need to win your games of football really. Do that 38 times and they give you a trophy usually. I think at least.

 

[williebeams]

The scariest part for me is trying to identify a team that could be dragged into a relegation battle while also trying to be better than Leeds and Burnley. Spurs finished 17th with 38 points, however I'm pretty confident in saying that if they were in an actual relegation battle they would've been mid table, they put all their eggs into the Europa League basket and they were never in any real danger of going down. Same with Man Utd, I just can't see a world where they are in real danger.

Wolves, for me, are the club in the most danger of being dragged into a fight. Already lost Cunha and looks like Ait-Nouri is going to City which is their two best players gone, however I suspect they will bring in around £100m just for those two players which gives them spending power to add to an already decent squad. They also have a good coach.

Everton you have to think they will invest and Moyes will have them in and around mid table at their new stadium.

West Ham are interesting. Again though I expect them to invest heavily into players suited to Potter and they already have players like Bowen who is probably a top 10 winger in the league.

Palace could struggle playing Europa League football but Glasner is superb and I think with them being a London club and having European football they'll be able to attract quality. If they can keep a hold of most of their best players they shouldn't be in danger.

Fulham, Brentford and Bournemouth all have good coaches but have all been linked away which could cause problems for them. Also looks like Brentford and Bournemouth are going to lose their better players but obviously that gives them the opportunity to spend.

Could Forest collapse? Conference League so two games a week, possible that MGW leaves and serious friction between Nuno and the owner.

Scary to look at but there's always someone who has a **** season, just have to hope it's not a Spurs this time.

fulham and Brentford are bookies favs Tod too bad the promoted sides

because if they lose their managers and 1/2 players who knows what could happen

 

[E.T. Fairfax]

Probably going to need a bit of both. I'm not 100% clear on who is close to the PSR/FFP limits so maybe someone can't spend and/or ends up with a points deduction

We basically going to have to try and win 9/10 games, throw in at least half a dozen draws, and hope thats enough.

 

[SourPatch2]

Good analysis. What it highlights for me is that we could have an extremely good season, do everything close to perfect, and still be relegated.

I struggle to get my head around the fact that Spurs and Man Utd finished as low as they did. Back when we were in the PL, 17th and 15th would be someone like West Brom and Stoke who you'd feel like could be dragged into a real scrap. Now your 17th placed club is in the Champions League and the 15th just dropped £60m on a player

 

[E.T. Fairfax]

Its not as hard as all that. Just need to win your games of football really. Do that 38 times and they give you a trophy usually. I think at least.

Now thats a prediction with plenty of chest hair!

 

[rowley]

Everton have 14 first team players for next season, Moyesy got a rebuild on his hands... Let's see what he does.

He'll be ringing up Stephen Pienaar and Joleon Lescott.

 

[Southern A]

I struggle to get my head around the fact that Spurs and Man Utd finished as low as they did. Back when we were in the PL, 17th and 15th would be someone like West Brom and Stoke who you'd feel like could be dragged into a real scrap. Now your 17th placed club is in the Champions League and the 15th just dropped £60m on a player

Yeah. The problem with the gap between Prem and Championship isn't the likes of City or Liverpool or Arsenal being incredibly hard to beat. Its that the other 14 teams are as well now.

It used to be a "big 4" followed by the rest, and really any of 10-12 sides could get relegated each year.

Now there's a "massive 6", a "big 9" and then maybe 5 who can get relegated.