Fair point. I'd anticipate some will be out the door either perm or loan though
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Fair point. I'd anticipate some will be out the door either perm or loan though
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Those aren’t personal attacks.
Thanks HT, TB, Kalman and others for saving me time having to respond. Nothing else needs adding.
However, FWIW, personally I really don't know whether or not Rosenior is good enough at this stage. I keep saying "jury out" (hardly the language or view of someone who alledgedly hates him?) and that remains the case, even though it's been getting damn tempting to deliver a verdict lately. Other than shoring up our defence (or had Daws already started that process anyway?) he's really done nothing here, nor anywhere else in his very short career to date, other than talk a good talk, so I don't get how anyone can state with any certainty that he's a good coach for this level and a match for what we as a club need. Obviously Acun took a liking to him and has put his faith in him; only TWT if he was right to do so or not - I really hope he was.
You should be a politician or a journalist, taking extracts without any of the preceeding or proceeding context.
Hate and personal attacks? Jeez. ps this is a message board for exchanging views, getting things off our chests, etc.
I would like to see Rosey given the full season. Nothing happens overnight. I think he’s proved he can get a team performing at this level by the way he turned us around last season and made us a stable, solid side.
It’s a project and projects rarely peak instantly. What’s the point in appointing an exciting up and coming manager if you’re not going to give them a decent opportunity to grow into the job. It would be great to see him remain for a long time and build a team with an ethos and identity.
Football is too short term these days and it’s difficult to keep the attachment when players and manager come and go so fast and everything is constantly changing.
It’s a project and projects rarely peak instantly. What’s the point in appointing an exciting up and coming manager if you’re not going to give them a decent opportunity to grow into the job. It would be great to see him remain for a long time and build a team with an ethos and identity.
Football is too short term these days and it’s difficult to keep the attachment when players and manager come and go so fast and everything is constantly changing.
Doubt Vinagre will play, he was limping with an ankle injury before half time on Tuesday.
There are too many unanswerables for me presently. Certainly we stopped leaking goals but any incoming manager would have done that, it wasn't rocket science.. I want my manager to go about his business and let the actions speak louder than the words. He has come out and said ridiculous things about wanting robust players... Connolly and even Twine was out for most of last season. Then theres the supposed/ maybe/ perhaps unease in the dressing room. What we do not have is flair and thats the promise Acun sold and if his dream is still alive something has to change. Whether its the manager in the short term, lets wait and see. Put up or shut up would be the mantra LR should be using.
I'm not sure they could be classed as personal attacks
Edit.... I wouldn't class them as a personal attack on me, but some may do if it's directed at them
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Most clubs with decent squads have 2 good options for each position. It's called competition and usually considered a good thing.
Don't see the problem for Seri and bird fighting it out, or Traore and Twine for that matter but given Twine is comfortable wide on either side then it's not always going to be an either or kinda thing.
Clearly we will rotate based on form and fitness. If a player doesn't start then we can have 5 subs from. 9 named in the squad so there'll be plenty of gametime available once injuries are factored in.
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It was always obvious Acun was referring to Twine, it was also obvious that the upcoming talent was just Acun getting excited which I happen to like in him.
It was said in Turkey, in Turkish to generate interest from a Turkish audience where he is trying to raise the clubs profile.
Besides, he was pretty hot property for a youngster who'd played so many games this time last year.
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In the context of how he conducts himself in interviews when discussing his tactics, playing style etc. then no, it isn’t personal. Arrogance can, and sometimes is, a valid criticism in a professional setting.
I think it's the propensity for folk to start looking for things and jumping on anything that I feel is unfair.
Judge a window as **** at the end of it, not half way through, if roseiour was in the stand on Tuesday on his phone looking glum then why assume he's tossing it off and not interested when it's clear he's ranting at the bench. Then there's words cravenly twisted to use against him, being accused of lying over transfers ect.
Not everyone who is critical is guilty of it, but quite a few accross the usual platforms don't seem to know where the line is between reasonable and just plain malicious.
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Last season people - me included - were saying we had nothing on the bench. Now we potentially have a strong bench so some players will just have to live with being rotated. You can't have it both ways and to have any sort of success in this league you need strength in depth
A bit of arrogance can also be vital in certain performance based industries.
Would Roy Keane (or even our own Ashbee) have been the player he was without a bit of arrogance - or was his inherent arrogance part of making him the player he became?
It's a chicken and egg argument at best IMHO.
I'd agree that there needs to be a balance though.
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I don’t think he’s tossing it off. I don’t doubt he’s been working hard all summer. I do think he’s quite naive though. He said he wanted robust players and wanted them in early. Many have said this is just a throwaway line by a manager and not to read much into it. Fair enough, but I genuinely believe Rosenior thought a lot of his main targets this summer were eager to join and play under a young, ambitious manager with an attractive philosophy. I think at some point this summer he had a reality check when many of his targets moved elsewhere because he doesn’t have the pull he thinks he does.
There have been hints by those ITK that we’ve missed out on a lot of targets over the course of this window and one of the main reasons is that they’d rather play for a more experienced manager. The Twine thing is fair enough and I wasn’t expecting it to happen soon as Burnley wanted to assess if they needed him. However, I don’t think Lokilo was one of Rosenior’s first-choice transfers and I find Vinagre being a main target for left-back odd given the lack of minutes he’s had.