suarez v evra

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Ivor Biggun said:
Yeah because you always hear what footballers are saying, even when they decide to whisper obscenities to each other. Its not like the crowd can possibly drown out a sly underhand racial slur now is it.

As for the cameras, you cant even bloody tell half the time whether a foul was commited or a goal crossed the line with replays. How your so confident an off the ball incident in a crowded box will be conclusively proven/disproven depending on whether accurate footage exists is silly.


For me, I have no doubts Suarez did racially abuse Evra . The guy is nasty piece of work (Re: Biting) and an all round dick (Epitomized for me by the patronizing hand on Evras head) and I suspect the cameras will show enough for everyone (not a liverpool supporter at least) to know he's guilty but not be 100% cast iron, airtight, conclusive and he'll weasel outta punishment.
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SO what you've said is it's almost impossible to prove it, what with video evidence often being inconclusive when it comes to fouls etc., and mics being unable to pick up discrete sounds and words because of the crowd noise.

But, despite this argument, which I agree with, you then go on to say you have 'no doubts' based on previous, unrelated offences, which is bollocks.

It seems that no matter what happens in this case, you'll remain convinced he is guilty. Thank god you're not in law.
 
UIR The Quest For Twenty said:
So when you consider evras character just remember that while you may think hes an all round ****, which he probably is from a non united fan perspective, just take into consideration that hes not a liar.
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so i am ment to believe this player who is such a good sport he was trying to get downing booked and got himself booked for going over the top with verbals, tbh mate i couldn't give a toss what he has to say players shouldn't be trying to encourage the ref to book others in 2011, suarez stated he wasn't racist and i believe him. simple.
 
By the way, when Evra threw himself to the ground as if he'd been shot after Suarez caught him on the knee, he wasn't lying, he was just mistaken. He thought somebody had actually shot him. He'd never lie, would he?
 
Allegedly upon further review of camera footage, Sky Sports has found NO I repeat NO evidence of Suarez mouthing a bad word. This is however according to the Guardian, so take it as you will. Marriner has reportedly claimed he heard no evidence. Evra seems to have a lot of explaining to do.

And those of you that claim Suarez is a racist due to a being a "cheat" at the world cup and a "diver", seem to have biased views based on previous prejudices, thank god you're not judges.
 
Evra is scum..end of. He acts like the original hardman, but everytime he gets tackled, gets muscled out of a challenge or can't get the better of an opponent he throws a strop. Saturday was a prime example of Evra at his best, waving a card in a desperate attempt to get Downing booked, feigning injury with the biggest pantomine performance since Chris Biggins after Suarez tackled him.

So now he makes allegations that Suarez racially abused him..what a load of bollocks. Evra is a nasty, spiteful piece of ****. I hope the FA have some balls and throw the book at him, for these frankly absurd allegations, that rather unsurprisingly no one else heard.
 
Molby...The Pass Master said:
Evra is scum..end of. He acts like the original hardman, but everytime he gets tackled, gets muscled out of a challenge or can't get the better of an opponent he throws a strop. Saturday was a prime example of Evra at his best, waving a card in a desperate attempt to get Downing booked, feigning injury with the biggest pantomine performance since Chris Biggins after Suarez tackled him.

So now he makes allegations that Suarez racially abused him..what a load of bollocks. Evra is a nasty, spiteful piece of ****. I hope the FA have some balls and throw the book at him, for these frankly absurd allegations, that rather unsurprisingly no one else heard.
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I don't like the card waving at all and hope someone has a word with him but as for the tackle - if you call kicking someone in the knee a tackle then ok. Also as for the play acting, again I don't like it but a Liverpool fan complaining about Suarez being on the receiving end of some is a piss take - blinkered beyond belief.
 
"kicking someone in the knee"..What game where you watching, a different one than everyone else i guess!! There was minimal contact, Evra was caught out and cheated his way out of a tight spot.

So Suarez is accussed of racist comments..and it a piss take to turn around and defend him..united fans fooking idiots to the core!! Guess you don't remember Saint Patrice pulling a similiar stunt in 2005 with Steve Finnan and 2008 with the Chelsea staff memeber..both thrown out due to lack of evidence, also Saint Patrice was a major figure in the unrest with the French squad at the last world cup. In Short Evra is a nasty piece of work, who whne caught out, will lie, cheat and basically do anything to aportion blame on anyone but himself.
 
Molby...The Pass Master said:
"kicking someone in the knee"..What game where you watching, a different one than everyone else i guess!! There was minimal contact, Evra was caught out and cheated his way out of a tight spot.

So Suarez is accussed of racist comments..and it a piss take to turn around and defend him..united fans fooking idiots to the core!! Guess you don't remember Saint Patrice pulling a similiar stunt in 2005 with Steve Finnan and 2008 with the Chelsea staff memeber..both thrown out due to lack of evidence, also Saint Patrice was a major figure in the unrest with the French squad at the last world cup. In Short Evra is a nasty piece of work, who whne caught out, will lie, cheat and basically do anything to aportion blame on anyone but himself.
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Minimal contact on not there was contact - isn't this Liverpool excuse for Adam going down ? I don't like the play acting but lets not pretend it's one sided. It's an ufortunate part of the game now although I'm not excusing it

You will also see my comment makes no reference to the racism claim - it hasn't been proved and I doubt it will be so I fail to see how we are looking idiots to the core ?

If Suarez has done it he's a cock, if Suarez hasn't done it then Evra is a cock. However I doubt we will ever know the truth.
 
play acting is rife in football..players from all teams look to swallow dive, roll around like they've been shot at every opportunity..frankly its disgusting and cheating.

What i was attempting to draww your attention to was the simple fact, this isn't the first (or probably the last) time Evra has made allegations like this...Whne someone cries "wolf" too many times, maybe there isn't a wolf.

But Evra's allegations, had they stuck could of seriously ruined someone's crediability and career.
 
Ivor Biggun said:
Yeah because you always hear what footballers are saying, even when they decide to whisper obscenities to each other. Its not like the crowd can possibly drown out a sly underhand racial slur now is it.

As for the cameras, you cant even bloody tell half the time whether a foul was commited or a goal crossed the line with replays. How your so confident an off the ball incident in a crowded box will be conclusively proven/disproven depending on whether accurate footage exists is silly.


For me, I have no doubts Suarez did racially abuse Evra . The guy is nasty piece of work (Re: Biting) and an all round dick (Epitomized for me by the patronizing hand on Evras head) and I suspect the cameras will show enough for everyone (not a liverpool supporter at least) to know he's guilty but not be 100% cast iron, airtight, conclusive and he'll weasel outta punishment.
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Technology can easily cancel out crowd noise... It's 2011 for **** sake.

And the second point proves your opinion counts for ****.
 
Anyway for me this debate is boring as ****.

My last comment on the matter -

If Suarez is guilty he should receive the maximum punishment.
If Evra is guilty of bullshitting he should receive the maximum punishment.

**** knows who is guilty because I wasn't in the goalmouth during the game.

I will wait till the investigation is over before making a conclusion - an investigation I am convinced will out the truth, due to the advanced technology these days.
 
It's a load of crap.

From what I hear Evra's known for making these claims. He was just shown up to be average on Saturday and he didn't like it.

Suarez's English isn't great, anyway; and why make a racist comment when he's from a country where he could be the butt of racism himself?

Makes no sense whatsoever. Sort your head out, Evra.
 
It's very obvious to me that there are two sets of fans squarely behind their own players and not one shred of objectiveity is being shown at all.

In the end it's up to the FA to decide on this but there's always the civil courts as well as if it's not held up then it'd slander. if a case is proven then the Fa will need to apply an appropriate punishment.

So for all the mindeless and pointles name calling, finger pointing and general low wumming on this thread all you do is make yourself look like a child no matter what side you're on.
 
MITO..The problem in todays society, is this constant blame culture. Don't like something or someone, think of something to blame them for and watch the ensuing throng to hang them.

I've been on the end of allegations, and believe me it isn't pleasent. No grounds for it other than as eventually revealed (after alot of time and monies) they wanted my job..But for two months i was made to feel like the biggest roger hunt on the planet.

So if Evra's made these allegations, and they prove to be totally absurd throw not just the book, but the bookcase at him. It's disgusting that he feels the need to do this. If Suarez said what is alleged, then do exactly the same to him.
 
Suarez denied any abuse and fought to clear his name.

Sky Sports found no footage that supports Evra.

It emerged that referee Andre Marriner did not hear any of the alleged 10 racist comments.

While supporting their player, United are leaving the matter to the France left back.
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Interesting <ok>
 
Molby, thats fine. let the Fa make a determination first then let whatever happens happen. ie. lawyers get involved or whatever. I can't say what happend as I can only go by what i say and what i saw was evra do nothing til late i nthe game after getting a kick in the corner upon which time he want mad.

Now seeing we all know suarez is a right wind up merchant the pat o nthe back of the head was designed to wind him up even more.

I cannot say what went on in terms of what was said can i? so I'll leave it to the fa.
 
It's quite right that Evra's allegation should be investigated.

However I hope he's prepared for the consequences if he's judged to be wrong.
 
So many people seem to have made up their mind already on Suarez, so let's charge him now. Who's bothered if there's a massive chance nothing happened?

Nice of Evra to go public about it. Why not lodge a case privately instead of potentially ruining a lad's profile for the sake of something which, according to evidence so far, has proved void.

FYI, there are a large quantity of microphones in and around the ground, ESPECIALLY near the goal line where the alleged "incidents" took place.

It's clearly obvious they were both biting at one another. Perhaps Suarez has said something Evra has taken out of context? Though, apparently Evra remains firm it was the "N" word, and used 10 times.

Suarez might have bitten someone in the past, and might be abit of a prat when it comes to diving, but why does this automatically make him a racist?

If you believed everything in the papers, then Rooney should have been locked up long ago. I've noticed how United haven't supported Evra's claims just yet.

They've told us that there's been an incident reported, but unlike our club who have firmly backed the stance, they have yet to state anything like that.

On another note, I find it funny how Evra was supposed to have made the referee aware of it during the game and then was booked for persistently doing the ref's head in. Not sure if in the rules "reporting racism" consistutes a yellow card, so it's highly likely nothing was said to the referee in the first place.

In the box, there were a number of players within hearing distance of the 2 of them, why hasn't anyone else backed up the claims?

On the other hand, if Suarez has said it, then a 3 game ban is neccessary. The same amount of games John Terry was banned for abusing Ledley King, allegedly.
 
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