Suarez News (#ONTOPIC)

[mighty_stevie_g]

He isn't. Higuain wouldn't suit us at all.

Also MITO I don't see how you can claim that Lewandowski or Aguero are better strikers than Suarez. Even Ibrahimovic, for all his goals, lacks that ultimate winning desire in every match, against the Norwiches and the Uniteds of the world. Only a select few players in the world have that passion for every moment they spend on the pitch. That can lead to problems yes, but can you say that we would be better off without him last season?

Maybe in the media, but not on the pitch. Ultimately for us that is what it should come down to. If we sell him we lose a monumental player (and Sturridge/Borini aren't ready just yet to take over completely). We lose an icon. For what? 35m? Not worth it. We don't need to sell. Your points would be very valid if we had to sell but we really don't need to. He's got so long on his contract that maybe when we are ready to move on his worth will be back up to 50. No need to act now.

I agree totally. John Henry is laughing at all of this talk. At the end of the day the only thing that will prompt henry into action is money and plenty of it! He and LFC sit firmly in the driving seat. There is no imperative to sell. Suarez is no Tevez. If we keep him then he will play his socks off for us. So if any body wants him then they will have to pay top $. If not then watch him play his heart out on our behalf next season.

Exactly. (And MITO you have some compelling points, im enjoying this discussion). We have no impetus to sell, so we have no need to accept any low ball offers. For me, he's a team-changer. He is worth something near Ronaldo (maybe 75%). He is worth something you can reinvest in your club and not just a transfer windows worth of agents fees.

Other than that, keep him. I would take an unhappy Suarez over no Suarez any day. He's a motivated player. Maybe he could get us CL.

I suppose if we keep him and he has a season with no major incidents and bags a load of goals we will get the 50-60 million his footballing ability should get in this modern era too

Edit: saying that, he will be a year closer to the end of his contract

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

If you are going to say top five strikers then Suarez isn't in there for me. If you say top five forwards then he is. #notagoalscorer

 

[HugoEkitikeN01]

If you are going to say top five strikers then Suarez isn't in there for me. If you say top five forwards then he is. #notagoalscorer

Please can you define striker and forward. The two are there to score goals. If Suarez is not a goal scorer.#then I am confused.

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

Suarez is "as a sounding gong". He can't force any club to bid and he can't force LFC to sell. All he can do is make noise!

1: Corinthians: 13

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

So Ayre says that if Suarez was to leave, that we have targets lined up. WOnder who they are?

Me, as soon as I get this ****ing plaster cast off

 

[Jimmy Squarefoot]

If you are going to say top five strikers then Suarez isn't in there for me. If you say top five forwards then he is. #notagoalscorer

I think I know what you mean - the best comparison is with Torres. Torres was a natural goal scorer i.e. put him 1 on 1 and he'll most likely score. Suarez will need a few bites of the cherry.

However, Suarez is still a goalscorer - his record for Uruguay, Ajax and LFC (last season) proves that but he's just not clinical.

 

[HugoEkitikeN01]

1: Corinthians: 13

The Way of Love

13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

About Love....Not Suarez

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

#dribblingderailinprogress

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Please can you define striker and forward. The two are there to score goals. If Suarez is not a goal scorer.#then I am confused.

A striker is there to score goals. A forward is there to make things happen plus score/create goals. Same reason I argue that he is not a natural goalscorer; IMO, a striker should be able to finish at a ratio of at least one in three, Suarez as a ratio of about one in nine! A natural goalscorer will have been scoring at the better ratio (or similar) for most of his career, if they haven't then they have learnt their trade, ie not natural!

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

I think I know what you mean - the best comparison is with Torres. Torres was a natural goal scorer i.e. put him 1 on 1 and he'll most likely score. Suarez will need a few bites of the cherry.

However, Suarez is still a goalscorer - his record for Uruguay, Ajax and LFC (last season) proves that but he's just not clinical.

I was talking about striker to forward which is slightly different to scorer vs natural scorer IMO. I've answer above anyway

Scoring lots of goals for Uruguay and Ajax is not earth shattering, any forward playing for them should be expected to bag a hat full. They both have to play much weaker opposition. same goes for Real or Barca players, I'd expect them to have higher figures.

 

[bubble68]

Do you think Liverpool will accept the bid from Real Madrid that will potentially come in this week, including the offer of striker Gonzalo Higuain?

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Do you think Liverpool will accept the bid from Real Madrid that will potentially come in this week, including the offer of striker Gonzalo Higuain?

there is 90% certainly no such offer will come in. higuin is a 25mil player at his best. they have knocked the sharpness off him so he's 20mil at best.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Do you think Liverpool will accept the bid from Real Madrid that will potentially come in this week, including the offer of striker Gonzalo Higuain?

Welcome to the forum

 

[saintanton]

Bah, -semantics.
Suarez isn't a "natural" (i.e. clinical) goalscorer, but he is a good goalscorer. If he needs more chances, but he makes those chances, then it doesn't matter.
Player A scores 10 goals from 15 chances, player B scores 10 from 20 chances. It's still 10 goals for their team.

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

Do you think Liverpool will accept the bid from Real Madrid that will potentially come in this week, including the offer of striker Gonzalo Higuain?

Howdo bubble. Welcome to the asylum

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

Bah, -semantics.
Suarez isn't a "natural" (i.e. clinical) goalscorer, but he is a good goalscorer. If he needs more chances, but he makes those chances, then it doesn't matter.
Player A scores 10 goals from 15 chances, player B scores 10 from 20 chances. It's still 10 goals for their team.

What if there is someone else in a better position for those chances! Fair enough he created them himself but his teammates will get annoyed with not getting the ball, especially if he misses so many. Eventually, they will stop making the runs and it will become harder for Luis to do it alone. There has been evidence of this already IMO.

I've said it many times. Luis works hard for the team but he is not a team player. Ultimately, it is the team that matters

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

ok.. if you make 15 chances only then the guy who gets 10 form 15 is better than the guy who gets 6/7 out of it.

we can endlessly go around about the whole thing... suarez closes down, he kics, bite punches, name calls, winds up,dives and does everything to gain advantage. he shoots early, he plays on instinct. etc etc.

 

[timmy5x]

ok.. if you make 15 chances only then the guy who gets 10 form 15 is better than the guy who gets 6/7 out of it.

we can endlessly go around about the whole thing... suarez closes down, he kics, bite punches, name calls, winds up,dives and does everything to gain advantage. he shoots early, he plays on instinct. etc etc.

He also gets a lengthy ban every other season!

One interesting stat is that if you take out Suarez's goals from last season we still finished 7th. Some goals are more important Than others, not saying he didn't play his part in our wins, but didn't have his best performances in the big games.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

He also gets a lengthy ban every other season!

One interesting stat is that if you take out Suarez's goals from last season we still finished 7th. Some goals are more important Than others, not saying he didn't play his part in our wins, but didn't have his best performances in the big games.

its true but mostly when we talk about forwards you could go do the same analysis on them.. ronadlo for example.. or even messi... i do not think we would be 7th is he was not there... particularly the first half.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

He also gets a lengthy ban every other season!

One interesting stat is that if you take out Suarez's goals from last season we still finished 7th. Some goals are more important Than others, not saying he didn't play his part in our wins, but didn't have his best performances in the big games.

There are a fews ways of looking at that statistic though. If he wasn't playing then someone else would have been, they could have got more goals/assists or they could have disrupted the teams flow. What about vs Norwich when he got the hat-tricks? I think he cored first in both so would we have still broken the deadlock had he not scored?

I don't think Suarez is the be-all-and-end-all for our team, I actually think we played better in the last few games when he was missing. As I said above, he works hard for the team but IMO he is not a team player.

Edit: also as much to do with the gap between us and eighth I believe