Read what I said about immediate catchment areas, rather than wider ones, DDD.
Plastic glory hunting ****ers is the only possible conclusion..
Given that more than half of City's season ticket holders live in the East Riding, I don't think much to the ides that urban areas are what counts.
We have a massive area around us with no serious competing clubs in any direction. That should be a huge advantage but it hasn't been tapped into.
It would be interesting to note how far out into the East Riding those season pass holders are located, though. I don't think that 'massive area' is a real factor.Given that more than half of City's season ticket holders live in the East Riding, I don't think much to the ides that urban areas are what counts.
We have a massive area around us with no serious competing clubs in any direction. That should be a huge advantage but it hasn't been tapped into.
If we got only a few thousand less for Swansea in Division 3, there's absolutely no reason we shouldn't get 30,000 for the PL whoever the opponent is.
We're not some little backwater we're a major City with a much bigger population than some teams which get excellent crowds. Sunderland used to get 15,000 at one point. They turned that round and Hull is a bigger City. Brighton is a relatively small place with a large proportion of non-local residents yet they get incredible crowds because they look after their fans and make them welcome. That's after having no ground for about 10 years only a few years ago.
It's not only the owners, people want to see decent football. It's true we've produced it in patches but too many dire, lethargic performances have made the ticket prices seem a waste of money.
I have a mate who's a WBA fan and he says he's stopped watching them under Pulis - and this is a PL team
I agree.the football has bored the soul out of the place.there is no pre- match buzz around the kc at all.love brucie but it's thanks and cheerio from me.and take the owners with you please.It's not only the owners, people want to see decent football. It's true we've produced it in patches but too many dire, lethargic performances have made the ticket prices seem a waste of money.
I have a mate who's a WBA fan and he says he's stopped watching them under Pulis - and this is a PL team
Thats the thing aint it Cilly.Sad thing is, I don't really care if we go up or not. I've lost interest. First game 1974, season ticket holder since 1997.
And I'm not ashamed to admit it.
I'm trying to look at it in a different way, CC. I'm not convinced that a large, largely rural, catchment area necessarily equates to massive potential support. I think people like yourself, travelling in from places like Brid, will always be quite few and far between, and that the more immediate urban population is the main factor in the size of a football club's support.
FWIW, these are the clubs who have larger immediate, urban catchment areas than us.
Arsenal
Chelsea
Spurs
West Ham
Palace
Villa
Birmingham City
WBA
possibly Wolves?
Man U
Man C
Liverpool
Everton
Newcastle
Leeds
Sheff Weds
Sheff United
Nottingham Forest (Notts Couty?!)
Bradford City
Bristol City (Bristol Rovers?!)
Leicester City
Portsmouth
Middlesbrough
Coventry City
Cardiff City
Stoke City
Hull City
Then there are clubs with smaller, or similar-sized, immediate catchment areas but who have better support than us right now:
Brighton
Southampton
Derby
Sunderland
You can have whatever catchment are you want, Bristol's must be huge, but if you don't offer the sort of experience people want, they won't go.
They should **** off and watch Barser or Real Madrid then.
What they really mean is 'famous players' and ' a winning team who plays at a very high level'.
That list shows that we are not even a top 30 team in this country which i would have thought the day we 1st got to premier leagueI'm trying to look at it in a different way, CC. I'm not convinced that a large, largely rural, catchment area necessarily equates to massive potential support. I think people like yourself, travelling in from places like Brid, will always be quite few and far between, and that the more immediate urban population is the main factor in the size of a football club's support.
FWIW, these are the clubs who have larger immediate, urban catchment areas than us.
Arsenal
Chelsea
Spurs
West Ham
Palace
Villa
Birmingham City
WBA
possibly Wolves?
Man U
Man C
Liverpool
Everton
Newcastle
Leeds
Sheff Weds
Sheff United
Nottingham Forest (Notts Couty?!)
Bradford City
Bristol City (Bristol Rovers?!)
Leicester City
Portsmouth
Middlesbrough
Coventry City
Cardiff City
Stoke City
Hull City
Then there are clubs with smaller, or similar-sized, immediate catchment areas but who have better support than us right now:
Brighton
Southampton
Derby
Sunderland
Cant get away from the 18k who do Rugby although I would love to
It would be interesting to note how far out into the East Riding those season pass holders are located, though. I don't think that 'massive area' is a real factor.
That small place Brighton with a population of 280,000, urban population of 475,000 and metropolitan population of about 750,000?
Simple - As far as the owners are concerned - football success would be nice but it is far, far more important to p*** off the fans. If that means driving them all away and ultimately ruining the club then so be it. As someone said on here before 'nobody could make that many disastrous business decisions'. Especially a successful business man.How can a man who is a business millionaire not see this happening due to his ideas
It would be interesting to note how far out into the East Riding those season pass holders are located, though. I don't think that 'massive area' is a real factor.
I guy i work with goes the watch Leeds.[
A lot of those are just plain wrong.
Brighton's population, as I replied in another post, is 280,000, urban area 475,000 similar to Hull. Portsmouth is nothing like Hull's. Wolverhampton doesn't have as large a population. Also a lot of them have nearby rivals. Go outside the city boundaries and there are nearby clubs, you can be in Elland Road living on the outskirts of Bradford quicker than you can get from Longhill to the KC.
As for Sunderland, it is smaller than Hull but draws a lot of support from all over Wearside. Back in the old days when there were dozens up in court on Monday morning after a game against Sunderland there were loads from Chester Le Street, Durham, Washington, Houghton Le Spring and elsewhere.
Saw City win at Roker Park in fron it 13,000 A couple of years later they had tens of thousands of life long fans wanting Wembley tickets and a couple of years after brought 16,000 down here. They were doing a survey of people going in to the ground. It turned out over 60% were from outside the city boundary.
BTW, years ago they did a survey of PL season ticket holders. Turned out the club with the highest percentage living outside the postcode wasn't Man .Utd, they were third, Liverpool, they were second, it was Leeds.