Sparkling counter-argument. Glad to see you've explained so clearly not only why you not only won't stand with your fellow fans, but also why you think they should be forcibly restrained from watching the team they've doubtless supported all their lives with their time, money and energies, just because of a difference of opinion from you.
Yeah, Takes the fun out of it when we win so easy. [video=youtube;rEKBhp3mZ6k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEKBhp3mZ6k[/video]
The Malaysians were confident enough to make this offer after turning " Red Dragon " money infatuated fans against tradition stunned " Bluebird " fans . Nice little wedge they drove into the Cardiff fans but in the end , money talks
What !!! You agree that Cardiff fans who agree with the exploitation of their club: not sheep-shaggers, just sheep. ?
no, just that your being harsh on people who feel disillusioned with the club. fine that you have decided to embrace the new (hidious) badge and red kit but i will never embrace having or wearing a red kit......
Even if you were joking, in which case I apologize, there were still at least three people who agreed with the blacklisting whether tacitly or explicitly. So my point stands for them, and any guest reading the thread who might feel that way too. Also (having just seen your edit), I'm not from Gloucestershire, I live up North. Us Yorkshire folk do get called sheep-shaggers from those the other side of the Pennines though, so I know how you lot feel with the tedious jokes and inflatables at games.
I'm not bothered at being called a sheep-shagger or a sheep, I've been called worse many a time. I was NOT joking about blacklisting the season tickets returnees. I was joking about Swamp agreeing that Cardiff fans who agree with the exploitation of their club: not sheep-shaggers, just sheep. Your location states Winchcombe, I don't know of one in Yorkshire.
It's not offensive per se, just irritating because of how often it gets used. Oh. It's sort of a running in-joke I have with myself - I update my location to bizarre places where I obviously don't live.
I like it, I used to put my location as Ystradyfodwg, It was the old parish name for part of the Rhondda Valleys but not used now.
I struggle to see the logic behind a real fan asking for their season ticket money back. A real fan would turn up if the players had to play in vest and pants, surely? I don't see the logic with a lot of those peoples arguments. There is no need to change it: Mr Tan made $1bn dollars in the far east, lets give him a chance eh? Until I make $1bn I will assume he's a bit more switched on than me and knows what he's doing. Our position is untenable and if he thinks that's a way out of it, and to the Prem, then hey who am I to question him? Ripping out the soul: really? its a red shirt you drama queen. All the history: are they scratching our name off the FA cup? Overturning those euro results? No. Again, stop being a drama queen. Tan did it on a whim, because he can: Yes, that sort of behavior makes you rich. I think with the numbers involved we'd have more to worry about from the portion of the crowd that would like us to play with a pointy ball. This is a non-issue with most of the trouble coming from fans we'd rather be shot of anyway. Let 'em go, sod 'em, they'll be back. Should we blacklist? Probably not, though I'd kinda like to. But definitely lose their perks and I think they should be prioritised below even General Sale for one next season should we go up. £10 says they're all dancing in red if we go up.
I'd also like clarification on that point. Do you mean they are trying to use us to make money? Isn't that the point of a business? Serious Point: Holy **** guys, I've just written a business plan. The crux of it is, I'm trying to make a profit! Am I in trouble? Do I need to re-write it? Aww no the Mrs is going to be piiiiissed when I tell her I can't make any money. Ahhhhh she'll be fine, as I can wear Blue, and not only when I have an affair. (having an affair.....playing away... get it? see what i did there?)
A work colleague up in Glasgow is a staunch rangers supporter. He phoned me up earlier in the week and the subject of footie came up. He asked how I felt about City playing red this year. I asked him if he'd be happy for Glasgow to play in red if someone invested £100m. He replied that he'd be happy for them to play in Green and White hoops if someone came up with the cash. As for asking for a refund. Different people react in different ways and will protest in different ways. Some will be silent and not wear the shirt, others will have a strop. At the end of the day, there is little that can be done without damage to the club. Leave them protest and come back when they are ready. In the meantime we will enjoy the season to come, hopefully. give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed, Courage to change the things which should be changed, and the Wisdom to distinguish the one from the other.
Leeds swapped their blue ones for white!!! Seriously though I hate the red kit and hope we are back in blue asap. I support Cardiff City though and theres no way id not go because of a change of colour. Those asking for refunds seem to have no answer on how we stay in blue and pay off £70m of debts. However other than the tiny minority who are actually saying they hope we lose I hope they are all back asap.
Yes: A) Tan lying to the fans, B) Tan effectively holding the club to ransom, C) the main reason for the kit change being Far East marketing opportunities, D) the selfish imposition of Far Eastern imagery onto the badge, disguised as Welsh imagery, D) having read the report from the meeting held with disgruntled ST holders, the total lack of grace and vision from the Cardiff-based directors. Maybe they see their role as fans not just as people wot shout 'come on City', but as the only unchanging constant in the club who should be there to enshrine the CCFC's proud traditions and protect them when they're under threat. My philosophy would be more like 'until he attends hundreds of games of the club I love, then hey, who is he to go round making ham-fisted changes to our idendity?' I don't believe it was me who said either of those things, so I'll let someone else answer that. And it's not just a red shirt, it's the badge, soon-to-be nickname and way the club is perceived by your fans and others. He did it on a whim, because he can. There, you said it. Not for money reasons. Not to improve the club. For himself and his ego and his all-important plastic fans at home who want Premier League football on their tellies and gullible foreigners waving their country's flag in adulation at the God-like Saint Vincent of Tan and his merry men. The only evidence people seem to be quoting for that is a Wales Online poll which was rigged by Swansea fans. Firstly, I can see why so many complain about your atmosphere when you can't even be united as a fanbase. Secondly, you can't put someone below General Sale unless you give Ticket Office staff mugshots of every single ST abstainer and tell them not to sell them tickets. Anyway, that would be a severe contravention of Football League rules and I imagine your own club's Constitution/Fan Statement so would be easily rescinded. But the club's top tier have already said there's no business plan, and no vision, strategy or research which shows they will make money from the rebranding. And no, I don't think the point of football clubs is to make money. The point of football clubs is to provide a community service: the joy of the beautiful game. And the fans are the most important thing to a football club. Not the fat cats skimming profits off the top whose wages you pay. Yes, before we had any history or fan culture to speak of. Before Don Revie [NB: manager changing colours for truly ambitious reasons, not Chairman looking for money-spinning/vanity project], there was very, very little to distinguish Leeds from any other no-mark club. Presumably, either have Tan pay the money he clearly has like a good owner, or look for someone else to take over the reins. Fair play to you for that and the other stuff. I'm sure this red fad won't last more than half a decade maximum anyway.
