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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by The RDBD, Jun 16, 2017.

  1. humanbeingincroydon

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    Romanian sources claim he's out until September
     
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  2. KingHotspur

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    Looks like he won’t be sold in the summer then.
     
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  3. Citizen Kane.

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    Just seen Radu's post on social media.

    Turns out he found out he was out for the season (and part of next) on his birthday.

    Welcome to Spurs, Radu <diva>
     
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  4. Spurf

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    Whenever clubs suffer an injury crisis, it feels to me as if people often decide what is causing it without actually showing anything that backs it up.

    Tottenham Hotspur are probably the best example of some of the myths that exist around this subject at the moment.

    Although they are far from being the only Premier League club to have several players sidelined at the same time, Ange Postecoglou's playing style, training methods and selection decisions are widely assumed to have been a major cause of their issues.

    My concern about focusing on those aspects is that people are not considering the perspectives of the actual people involved - the manager, the medical staff and the players themselves.

    All three will have a very different mindset when it comes to managing injuries, and will be feeling different pressures that affect their decisions.

    More than anything else, that is what has led to the kind of scenario we are seeing at Spurs.

    'If it's happening in year two, it's down to something different'
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    Micky van de Ven returned from a hamstring injury to face Chelsea on 8 December, but immediately sustained a similar problem that ruled him out until he played the first half against Elfsborg on Thursday

    I am certainly not against using data, as a broad term, to help explain why injuries happen - as long as it is relevant.

    There are times, however, where people seem to want to use a subconscious bias to decide why something is happening. In the case of Spurs, it has been suggested their players get injured because Postecoglou makes them run around too much.

    Historically, when I think about teams who have played with a high intensity, and sustained it over multiple seasons, then Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool instantly stand out. Not only were they successful, they were not known for suffering multiple injuries that derailed them the way it has happened at Spurs.

    I am not even sure Tottenham's style is that demanding anyway. People seem to have made their minds up about that, without watching them that closely.

    Is it their centre-backs or full-backs being asked to get forward into midfield that is meant to be causing them to break down? Because we have seen plenty of other teams doing the same without the same issues, including Celtic's defenders when Postecoglou was manager.

    With Tottenham's centre-backs specifically, they are often on the halfway line and standing one-on-one with the opposition forwards, chasing players. That's exactly the same way Arsenal, Manchester City and Liverpool play, but there seems to be this idea that Spurs do something different.

    It's similar when people talk about their intensity in training. I don't know exactly what they do in their sessions, but I saw an interview on the BBC website with someone who does - Anton McElhone, Postecoglou's former fitness coach at Celtic.

    McElhone says the biggest adaption the players go through is when Postecoglou first arrives. He spoke about how it took Celtic's players a period of time to get used to that way of playing and training, which was when they were more susceptible to injury, but once they had done that, they were fine.

    He seemed surprised Spurs are going through this now, because it is something he thought could have happened last season.

    If it is happening in year two, then it is down to something different.

    In an ideal world, the manager listens to the medical staff, who are in tune with the players' fitness levels and their needs around any injuries.

    When all three groups are working in harmony like that, it is best for everyone. But if results become an issue then all of a sudden everyone feels a different kind of pressure. People are more willing to take a risk.

    If you are winning you can keep someone on the sidelines for longer, but no-one feels that way if the team is struggling.

    Suddenly the manager, physiotherapist and the injured player all feel the need for them to get back as quickly as possible, in order to help.

    I have seen situations where a player is out for four-to-six weeks, but by week three the manager is asking if he is nearly ready yet. As a player, what do you say to that? You don't want to be seen as reluctant to return.

    In an ideal world, the physio is obviously the one who should be empowered to make the decision whether someone is fit or not, but no physio feels under more pressure than when their treatment room is full.

    They can be questioned both ways - if a player gets injured again, or if they are not coming back quickly enough. Often they are led by what a player tells them, and it is hard to say no.

    A lot of the time, players will say they are fine
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    Cristian Romero returned from a foot injury against Chelsea on 8 December and sustained a quadriceps injury that has sidelined him since then

    If you have spent time in a professional dressing room then you will know there are many players who carry niggles almost constantly, but they will do anything they can to make themselves available for the team.

    They might not be 100% fit, and they might be taking painkillers or having extensive treatment, but a lot of the time they will say they are fine.

    They feel they can play and they want to play, to do their bit for the team, and that is even more the case if - like Spurs - the team is not doing very well or is short of players and they are desperate to help.

    That was the case with Pape Matar Sarr in Tottenham's defeat by Leicester - Postecoglou said afterwards that he wasn't fit but he still wanted to play.

    The medical team will give their opinion to the manager too, but in my experience the player's desire is key.

    So, while a lot of Spurs fans might see the return of Cristian Romero and Micky van de Ven from injury against Chelsea in December as being a risky Postecoglou decision that has proved extremely costly, I don't see how you can put it down to it being his call.

    Although they were both forced to come off in that game and have not played since, it is highly likely they were desperate to play and, like Sarr, went out there thinking they could make a difference for the team - but instead ended up back in the treatment room.

    Why some players keep getting injured - the snowball effect

    From experience, your playing schedule is likely to have far more impact in terms of injuries than your team's playing style.

    Playing games every three or four days, and going on international duty as well, adds up over time, but it becomes a bigger issue when you have a few injuries to deal with too.

    The hardest thing in football comes when you are never able to get on a run of games because you are never really match-fit.

    The more people who are like that in your squad, the bigger the problem is, and the greater the likelihood is of getting recurring injuries.

    Manchester City's issues with their centre-backs this season is a prime example of that. In the past, the likes of Ruben Dias, John Stones, Nathan Ake and Manuel Akanji have all been rotated by Pep Guardiola, but they have largely been selected - or not - by choice.

    This time, they have all suffered injuries that have seen them come in and out of the team. It has largely only been one little niggle after another, rather than anything long term, but it has still had a massive effect.

    When you have a full squad available, you can make little changes the way City usually do and, as a consequence, spread out the workload and allow people to come in and out of the team.

    But if you have a few injuries, including the ones you pick up randomly from bad tackles, which are out of your control and are the element of bad luck I mentioned earlier, things can quickly snowball.

    From the moment you are missing a few players the situation can escalate the way it did for City and Spurs, because you are left with so few fit senior players that you cannot rotate them to try to help them out.

    Instead, you are stuck in the same cycle and things are more likely to get worse - even when you are doing things for the right reasons.

    Nedum Onuoha was speaking to BBC Sport's Chris Bevan.

     
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  6. Citizen Kane.

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    Micky will miss the Liverpool game <wah>

    I'm worried we have found Ledley mk.II
     
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    Most likely the medical team have him wrapped in cotton wool and bubble wrap
     
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    There’s an interesting tweet doing the rounds, which shows screenshots from transfrmrkt about Japhet Tanganga and his time spent injured at Tottenham.
    Over the course of 5 seasons, he spent nearly a whole year of that time injured, but since joining millwall he’s not been injured once.
    Obviously it’s raised more questions about our medical department again.
     
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  9. humanbeingincroydon

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    Considering at least half of that period was recovering from knee surgery, it really doesn't
     
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    Tanganga has missed five games for them this season, although 3 were right at the start of the season.
    They've lost four of them.
     
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    Technically worth adding: Matthew Craig has missed the last few Mansfield matches due to injury

    I would be more specific, but Nigel Clough has changed the story of what the injury is three times already, with the current story being a back injury
     
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    Anyone else concerned that it has gone very quiet about Micky and Romero's return dates?
     
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    Yes

    Last I heard, Ange said Micky wasn’t injured again but since then he’s missed every game. I wonder if the club are just keeping things close to their chest and we might see him return on the weekend. Would definitely be a massive boost.
     
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    Wouldn't be surprised at all to see a statement in the coming week that Micky will need surgery to his hamstring and will miss the rest of the season.
     
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    I am now fully expecting an announcement that he needs to undergo surgery. :emoticon-0106-cryin
     
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    Ali Gold's reporting that we've submitted plans for improved medical facilities at the training ground.
    I wonder why?
     
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    Think we might have to look at selling him in the summer - if there’s a willing buyer.

    Superb defender but he seems broken already.
     
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    Yeah it's really sad to think we've broken one of the most promising young talents in Europe.

    Although it has to be said he had a very lengthy hamstring injury at Wolfsburg.
     
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    Just seen Ange’s interview about injuries.

    Sounds like Vicario will be back this weekend. Then Maddison and Brennan next week. He says Romero has one more scan on his quad but hopefully only 2-3 weeks for him and Micky, Richarlison also a few weeks away from fitness. Also might see Odobert before too long too.

    Best news is Timo Werner is progressing well too
     
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