Spurlock's Ramadan diary

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Highburyal said:
I was born in to it, but never gave religion a thought really...
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You can't make out as though that is not different to someone who has embraced the faith from actually gaining knowledge about it and familiarising themselves with the lifestyle. Whether you gave it a thought or not, there is no doubt you grew up with it in your life due to it being in your family and quite possibly community too.
 
Spurlock said:
They don't fool no one but themselves mate. I don't do everything my faith asks of me, that's not for the want of trying though or due to the lack of respect and acknowledgement. Sometimes I can't help being carnal and instinctive though. Look at yourself, you lie out of your back teeth at times just to defend a Football Club Lolz
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**** off... I don't lie to protect the club, the truth it's Arsenal are a great team compared to the spuds lol
 
Spurlock said:
You can't make out as though that is not different to someone who has embraced the faith from actually gaining knowledge about it and familiarising themselves with the lifestyle. Whether you gave it a thought or not, there is no doubt you grew up with it in your life due to it being in your family and quite possibly community too.
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I see what you are saying but I don't agree

For me it was no different than for my Mrs who is a convert/revert.

Harder for me as I had to let go of the Sufi barelwi vibes
 
Spurlock said:
You can't make out as though that is not different to someone who has embraced the faith from actually gaining knowledge about it and familiarising themselves with the lifestyle. Whether you gave it a thought or not, there is no doubt you grew up with it in your life due to it being in your family and quite possibly community too.
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Not really, I didn't mix much with my own community at all and lived a very western life style. I know it's not the same as a revert but I never came to the religion because of my connections at all, I floated with various religions before looking more in depth in to Islam and embracing fully.
 
thefanwithnoname said:
I see what you are saying but I don't agree

For me it was no different than for my Mrs who is a convert/revert.

Harder for me as I had to let go of the Sufi barelwi vibes
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Yeah I agree being born into it comes with it's own obstacles and cultural indoctrination but you can't under estimate the battles a revert/convert faces or may quite easily face.
 
thefanwithnoname said:
Political affiliations of families and also background of the families.

Have you ever wondered why malala is a spokeswoman and peace prize winner for women's rights/education supported by her father (a communist exile) and yet her own mother wore an Afghani burkha, couldn't read and walked behind her husband?

Similarly is hirsi disliked because of her anti Islam stance or is it more to do with her antagonist views? Eg netanyahu should win a Nobel peace prize etc

My point is its not black and white. Malalas old man uses gia daughter to advance his own agenda and its seen as women's lib. He was hated in Pakistan by the government well before she got shot
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Wasn't Malala shot specifically because of her and her father's views on education?
She was blogging for the BBC before it happened, wasn't she?
I don't know anything about her mother though, in all honesty.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali's disliked for a multitude of reasons.
It's mainly about her views on Islam and the people that she associates with, though.
Van Gogh's murder should've made that pretty clear.
 
Spurlock said:
A big glass of Irn Bru and a Spliff Fam.

Apart from that..you know how it is...whatever the women fancy making, I'm having. My fave dish has got to be a plate of savoury rice with lamb though, salad, mint/coriander yoghurt and a big jug of water.
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Can't face that first thing brudda

That's iftari or was when I was living with mum and dad and that

Mrs is all about the white food
 
Highburyal said:
There are lot of things people use religion to justify knowing clearly it's wrong and not from the religion at all...
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This is true, but it's also quite easy to find vague passages that could refer to a lot of things.
People tend to find what they're looking for in a lot of religious texts.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
Wasn't Malala shot specifically because of her and her father's views on education?
She was blogging for the BBC before it happened, wasn't she?
I don't know anything about her mother though, in all honesty.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali's disliked for a multitude of reasons.
It's mainly about her views on Islam and the people that she associates with, though.
Van Gogh's murder should've made that pretty clear.
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Depends if you want to take the official line or what was really happening with malala

Its actually more far ranging than her but also links into the whole Taliban against women's education too
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
This is true, but it's also quite easy to find vague passages that could refer to a lot of things.
People tend to find what they're looking for in a lot of religious texts.
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I disagree, the onus is on the believers of what ever faith to seek and learn their religion, they verses from the Qur'an for instance are used to justify or used to beat muslims with by the media are clear in it's understanding, the difference being people don't read the verses before or after that particular verse but just that cherry picked one, if you see what I mean...

For instance the one about kill all non-muslims but they don't read the whole Suresh just the one verse.
 
Highburyal said:
I disagree, the onus is on the believers of what ever faith to seek and learn their religion, they verses from the Qur'an for instance are used to justify or used to beat muslims with by the media are clear in it's understanding, the difference being people don't read the verses before or after that particular verse but just that cherry picked one, if you see what I mean...

For instance the one about kill all non-muslims but they don't read the whole Suresh just the one verse.
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Context.
The problem is that it's often debatable and people will often claim unorthodox interpretations are true, if it suits them.
This is true of virtually all religions, of course.
 
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